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Sunday, October 07, 2007

France beat the All Blacks - Jauzion try

Was it a forward pass? Yes it was. But referee's aren't perfect, far from it at times. All Black supporters will understandably not accept that though.

But in all games there are bad decisions made by refs, and if you watch as a neutral you'll often find that the majority of the time by the end of the match both sides had a pretty even share of poor calls.

That said, the reffing at this tournament has been pretty poor.

However, the reality is that the mighty All Blacks are now out of the World Cup.

Memories of 1999 resurfaced as France hit back after the break, after conceding a try and missing a few penalties in the first forty. New Zealands most dangerous player on the night Luke McAllister got put in the bin for New Zealand, which didn't help their cause and France applied the pressure. Thierry Dusatoir crossed for France, but Rodney So'oialo matched him with a try of his own from the pick and drive.

Enter the stage Freddie Michalak. The man who, when at the top of his game, is majestic to watch. Almost instantly and with his first touch of the ball he sniped through from that now infamous dubious pass.

Either way, his turn of speed and communication with Jauzion resulted in the try for the French and a day that will forever be remembered for the day that two of the top three sides in the world got knocked out of the tournament unexpectedly.

Final Score: 20-18




  • one word: guts

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 07, 2007 10:47 pm  

  • I know in my heart that France deserved to win for capitalising on the fortunes that went their way and stuck to the game for better or for worse.

    But man, I just feel that the All Blacks didn't deserve to lose like that. It's a complicated feeling.

    I just hope the players feel alright and move on.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 07, 2007 10:52 pm  

  • Want to see some excellent reffing? Watch the Springboks vs Fiji match. Superb and the Irishman knew what to do to keep the match as good as it was.

    Still, the All Blacks should have widened the gap in the first half when France was playing under their standard. They had enough possesion to make another try or two but were stale in their game. Just keeping the ball going over the scrum what didnt work all that well.

    Ill wish NZ the best of luck in 2011, maybe they cant win the Webb Ellis cup without playing on own soil.

    By Blogger Sea-Bass, at October 07, 2007 10:55 pm  

  • excellent play by michalak, kudos to him. bad play from siviatu (rococoko?) for looking at the touch judge for the forward pass.

    maybe if he had done his defensive work, despite the bad call, new zealand would be in the semi finals.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 07, 2007 11:14 pm  

  • I hate how France always boos when they are playing : / and also I was so angry when McAllistar was sent off after the Frenchman ran into him by himself, there was no intention there.
    It's a damn shame to see NZ out, I would have liked them to win it (as my next favourit team to watch play after Ireland ((who sucked!)) but such as life I guess...I guess no I'd like Argentina to win?! ^^

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 07, 2007 11:38 pm  

  • funny but afterwards the second pass was also shown to be forward by 2 yards. Thats just the roll of the dice- in the Scotland game there were 2 charge downs and only Argentina scored

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 07, 2007 11:47 pm  

  • 3 things really didn't help:

    1). Yellow card, duh, it lead to a try, but it really didn't seem like he intended to take him out, just momentum + french flop. At most a penalty?
    2). Forward pass, lead to a try
    3). The advantage called off after Mcalister launched the drop goal... I don't know if thats what normally happens, I just wasn't expecting it. We kicked it knowing we'd get it back if we blew it entirely. Perhaps someone can shed some light on some rules about it, or if it's just the ref again

    We didn't play too well either, plus had way too many players go off injured... not the usual all blacks, and a bad ref.

    Now I guess I'll go for England to beat France, or maybe SA for the whole thing, just to keep things in the Southern Hemisphere at least ;D

    By Blogger failsandwich, at October 07, 2007 11:48 pm  

  • France didn't win this game, NZ lost it! They choked in their own arrogance.

    NZ should have played less attractive flashy passing running rugby, and kicked for touch. As it is, they poached plenty lineouts, and by doing this, they would have many more, and could have mauled them up for forwards tries.

    Instead they went into the game as arrogant as hell, thinking they would score flashy tries by running them rugged. It didn't work.

    Forward passes, ref decisions...waffle....waffle....waffle.

    New Zealnd only have themselves to blaim, nobody ells.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 12:06 am  

  • to the two guys before this post. Firstly what do you mean keep things in the southern hemisphere? secondly how about losing because the french were better than you and give them some credit. nobody likes a sore loser.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 12:19 am  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 12:55 am  

  • Damn that sucked. Once again, the RWC shows that in the knockout stages no-one can be sure of the result.

    Yes the game did turn on bad reffing BUT the fact is that the ABs once again let the pressure get to them. With all that possession and territory they should have put the Blues away easily. Fact is the French tackled their little hearts out and NZ didn't compete enough at the breakdown.

    Saddest thing about this is the inevitable blame that will fall on Graham Henry who, in my opinion, has moulded the best ABs side ever over the last 4 years.

    By Blogger fishboy, at October 08, 2007 1:55 am  

  • The ABs for years have been the benefactors of marginal refereeing...

    McAllister YC: Referee's point was that there were two cynical plays in a row on the French line. Even if McAllister's play was not as bad as several of us think (myself incl.), the total package of fouls merited a YC. Since Luke's was the latest one, and the closest to the line, he gets the bin.

    As for marginal refereeing, no one brings up the forearm shiver that Sivivatu threw at the Frenchman? Did all the referees miss it?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 2:24 am  

  • "Advantage" Penalty advantage <> scrum advantage.

    It's alot easier to kick away scrum advantage, since kicks for territory -- but change of possession -- create the same outcome.

    To kick a drop goal during scrum advantage is pretty much the same as kicking one the resulting set-piece scrum ball. To allow a player to kick a DG, and still get the ensuing scrum feed (and thus another DG shot) amounts to two bites at the apple.

    Penalty advantage is harder to kick away, since it's implied you'd get a shot at points, or a kick for touch (and your throw-in).

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 2:26 am  

  • As for marginal refereeing, the refs said nothing about Muliaina's attempted kick at Michalak on the try.

    Looked to me like a potentially dangerous play.

    But then again, "benefit of the doubt". Muliaina is an All Black, and they never do that. To be fair as well, Mils doesn't have a rap sheet, so maybe he does get the benefit.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 2:30 am  

  • Everybody stop complaining about the ref, thats how rugby can pan out sometimes, it isnt always fair, but thats the game right? And Mcalister DID shoulder the french runner, it was very obvious, he turned saw him and lead with his shoulder, NZ were lucky it wasnt a penalty try. But knowing the Kiwis, they will be complaining about that forward pass for the next 4 years, Just like 95 when the kiwis were "food poisoned",just because SA shut down the kiwis only game plan (Lomu). I give credit to the French, they played out of their skins to beat "the best team in the world" i hope they beat England.

    By Blogger Unknown, at October 08, 2007 4:14 am  

  • the all what??

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 5:59 am  

  • OMG , france should not win !
    it forward pass !
    victory belongs to all black !

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 9:08 am  

  • It seems to me that the referee was in bad position to see the forward pass (which was not that obvious, I think). It is a matter of perspective: he looked to be exactly behind the action and thus with no possibility to properly judge.

    Of course, there are the line judges for that task, but why they didn't say anything?

    Awesome work as always for the site, btw. Thanks a mil again!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 9:52 am  



    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 10:07 am  

  • All french people who are arrogants with All Blacks are as stupid as the AB's fans who swear on french. Yes, the McAlister sin bin was fair. Because it's the same rule for all and he didn't made it by accident. Yes, there is forward pass between Traille and Jauzion. But how many tries dis the AB's scored by forward passes ? Sorry but, a lot. I respect the AB's and I know they are stronger than France. And I would prefer not to win this match with an ref mistake, but on this match, french won by counter the AB game. As Anton Oliver said it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 12:11 pm  

  • Also the pass from Carter to McAlister for the first try was a forward pass. The ref has done 2 mistakes

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 12:17 pm  

  • Why do the commentators Michalak an old man? The guy is only 24, except he'll probably succumb to premature balding. He is quite fast for a flyhalf too. It annoys me when commentators and pundits make a pig's ear of their research.

    By Blogger I really do talk a lot, at October 08, 2007 1:45 pm  

  • i think the reference to the 'old man' was in context to the longevity of Freddies career as opposed to his actual age, seems like he's been around forever! Well done the blues, it's an opportunistic scenario, and france took their chances, the webb ellis eludes the kiwis once more, who'd have thought it!? :0

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 2:11 pm  

  • Anyone else confused as to why the Kiwi commentary calls Freddy an old man? He is 25 is he not? at 28 I must be well and truely on the scrap heep! thank you france for getting rid of the AB and come on England!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 3:31 pm  

  • frenchies played awesome defence against the allsheeps and they deserved the win!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 3:55 pm  

  • Once again NZ isn´t able to finish teams off at crucial World Cup stages.
    The first half was all their´s, but they didn´t perform above their average and therefore deserved to be knocked out.
    It was a forward pass indeed, but not an easy call for the ref. He should have checked the footage...
    It must be awful to be an All Black suporter now...

    By Blogger ., at October 08, 2007 4:54 pm  

  • Being a Bleu fan I was a little disappointed at the way that they won, but happy nonetheless that they did win. I just think it should have been under better circumstances. But its like the All Blacks said, "We never should have put ourselves in the position of a close game like that. That try shouldn't have made a difference." But sadly for them it did. Allez Les Bleus!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 5:09 pm  

  • i'm not french and not NZ (not even english), what really concerns me is the official stats of this game:
    French Penalties : 2
    8 minutes spent in french 22 and only 2 penalties in 80 minutes.How can an english ref be eligible to this game?
    what would you prefer to play against? i bet the french...

    By Blogger Unknown, at October 08, 2007 6:01 pm  

  • I would just like to send my condolenses(?) to the all blacks, but bloody hell you have the shittest timing for peaking this year i actually expected you to win. come on England Against those French. Don't worry AB fans we'll score off a forward pass

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 10:27 pm  

  • I'm french fan but will try to be objective...( and write without many falts..;)
    1) AB lost the match before to enter in the stadium.Even they said and repeated that they respect the french team , in their own mind they felt themselves superior...And a match is never play in advance...prove..
    2)In the first part of the tournament they didn't have an opposite..Portugal ? Romania ? They were missing for two month a really opposition
    More during all your stay in france they enjoy our country, making turism ! Did was the best way to prepar a world cup ??
    3)How can it be so naive not to tent more drop goal at the end ? They had many possibility to make it..But they were still thinking they are the best to rush to the line...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 08, 2007 11:23 pm  

  • no excuses NZ were beaten by a better team on the day.
    no excuses, and no blaming the referee.Thats what league players do.
    NZ were beaten and thats that.tough fucking cookie

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 09, 2007 4:04 am  

  • BS forward pass...cheap. French did not deserve to win...were pathetic in the first half but started doing better in second when key players for AB's went out. Hope the French get sodomized by the English in SF.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 09, 2007 4:24 am  

  • i wouldn't be sure about the 1st pass but the 2nd one is definitely not forward. According to Australian refering authority at least: http://www.scrumbag.tv/2006/12/youtube_the_for.html

    By Blogger François, at October 09, 2007 5:44 am  

  • François,
    Funny... That's the one all my Ozzy teammates refer to when they say a pass wasn't THROWN forward...

    I guess it comes back to bite the SANZARs...

    But if I had the angle (which Barnes did not), I would have blown it as thrown forward.

    As for Barnes, if he really did muck up his positioning, he won't get another big game for a while.

    That's one of the nice things about the soccer world cup -- if a referee Fs up, all the commentators refer to it as his last game (and it invariably is)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 09, 2007 6:43 am  

  • na i wasn't, with that link, arguing on traille's pass to michalak, but on the second one, which elrolo mentioned to be forward :)
    On the first one, ppl could argue for hours: is it intended to be forward? probably not, he's being tackled from behind at the moment of the release, the angle is not obvious, and on top of that, does the intention alone makes it a fault? I can't discuss that pass :) Probably forward, though. But then hey, Keith Robinson finished the game and no Betsen... let's call it even :)

    By Blogger François, at October 09, 2007 6:47 am  

  • You put the All Blacks in, the All Blacks out
    In out, in out, you shake them all about
    You do the Chokey Chokey and you knock them out
    That's what it's all about
    Whoa-o the Chokey Chokey
    Whoa-o the Chokey Chokey
    Whoa-o the Chokey Chokey
    Knees bent, drop goal
    Miss miss miss!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 09, 2007 1:07 pm  

  • can anyone tell me why the TV ref can't overule or advise the ref just as the linesmen do? Surely this would reduce most decisional errors?
    Shouldn't the refs also be judged on performance and "punished" where aplicable?

    saying that - well done france and see you in the finals!


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 09, 2007 2:33 pm  

  • I just read on the bbc website that in a NZ poll 55% of respondents blamed referee Barnes for the loss; 19% blamed the All Blacks and 7% blamed coach Graham Henry (doesn't mention the rest of the votes). The only people to blame are yourselves and the fact that france were better than you on the day otherwise you would have won. Get over that forward pass.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 09, 2007 3:36 pm  

  • My high school rugby coach, after a narrow loss due to poor reffing said "You win despite a bad ref, but you don't lose because of one." I have to agree that NZ losing didn't all hinge on this one forward past. It is a shame to see them go home like this.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 09, 2007 5:09 pm  

  • Well done France I had every faith in you, in fact placed a bet on England and France to do the double and won £550! The All Black's choked again and England destroyed Australia up front! What a weekend for Northern Hemisphere rugby!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 09, 2007 9:28 pm  

  • I think it is sad when either supporters of a rugby team get aggressive at the other, or 'neutrals' take digs at either team. Unfortunately this is the way rugby is going, and the media is even worse than most fans. The aftermath of this game, and Aussies is showing rugby to be the new football. It really makes me sad and long for the days of being able to talk about rugby with the other teams supporters, but I guess rugby's fan base is growing and so to are its dickbeater ultra nationals. GROW THE FUCK UP.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 2:31 am  

  • NZ players and coach were very "fair play" after the game... but reading these comments, I understand that NZ fans are not better than ohters... complaining about the ref whereas the players are the only responsible for this lost. How can you discuss the yellow card ? Saying that McAllister didn't intend to take the french player out is not worthy of you. The ABs lost is not due to the ref but is due to the fact that only men could win this game, not gods.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 10:17 am  

  • 2.31am Kiwi or Aussie hey? LOL

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 11:21 am  

  • Grow the F**k up must be a Kiwi or an Aussie LOL!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 11:25 am  

  • That was bull... france shouldn't have gotten that try at all.... it should have been stopped at the forward pass

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 12:40 pm  

  • dont get me wronge thou althou i am a NZ fan... they still could have won... but they shouldnt have off that try...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 12:41 pm  

  • I for one was incredibly surprised by the AB Naivety in the last 10 minutes. They camp in the French 22, and all they can do is pick and drive.
    OK Carter's and Evans are off the pitch injured, but don't tell me no on your team can hit a drop goal...
    The only attempt McAlister went for goal on was miles away after the French defence had pushed them all the way back, kicking away scrum advantage on top of that.

    Scoring tries is sexy for sure, it also makes the magic of the ABs, but when it comes down to winning games, did none of them learn from Rob Andrew in '91, Joel Stransky in '95, Jannie de Beer and Steve Larkham in '99 and inevitably Jonny Wilkinson in '03.

    This is perhaps a harsh dig at the ABs. They did not have the experience of 'winning ugly'. The likes of McCaw and Carter will for sure know better come next time, they'll be on home soil this time too...

    Give credit to the French though. Their defense was the first real defense the ABs faced in the RWC. They put in 4 times as many tackles and missed barely more than the ABs did. This was the game of their lives and they played it with Passion.

    Passion, but also professionalism, they scored twice out of the 3 concrete chances they got, and would have scored (I believe) on the first of those had there not been some cynical defending from McAlister.
    To be frank, the ABs could be said to have come off lightly, Those two missed penalties and the missed drop goal early in the game could have made the margin even wider...

    It's a pity to see such a great team of ABs fail. They had it all, the kicks the tries the defense...
    Even with their stunning record, They still knew how to lose.
    None of the players had any complaints and all of them said the French had been better on the day, (a fair assessment, I think)
    Graham Henry even went into the French changing rooms to congratulate them and wish them luck for what came next.

    Though this crop of gentlemen did not do themselves justice in this world cup, they can be proud that the rest of the world can call them true gentlemen.

    To them, it was to be the crowning point of their careers and lives. To us all it's only a game we didn't even play in. Perhaps some of us should take a leaf out of their book...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 4:27 pm  

  • maybe that pass was forward but you know the ref did some mistake to the advantage of the abs too go france!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 4:27 pm  

  • oh well.. France played well.. but i still doesnt tink they deserve to win.. All Blacks Should be the winner of the match.. poor refereeing.. Need to wait another 4 yrs till All Blacks got chances again..

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 5:08 pm  

  • i had the joy of being at this game, and something i will remember forever was, after the referee put his hand up for the try, a "disgruntled" kiwi started a chain of 4 letter words that ineveitably led to some surrounding frenchmen jeering at him, brilliant. The swearing man was in block L6 or L8..whichever one was on the left of L7 lol

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 6:11 pm  

  • the all blacks lost cos they didn hav ne1 streetwise enuf 2 tink of de dropgoal in the final minutes or they wer jst 2 arrogant. but stil, this cumin frm an irishman, they wer the btr team n i think its bad 4 de tournament dat there gon. i tink de pumas mite go all de way!!!UP ARGENTINA

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 10, 2007 6:19 pm  

  • I don't understand comments of people who support southern teams.

    English and french qualification are all but not a surprise to us.

    Because international rugby is made for the south nations. AB prepared for months last year when France was crushed. The european schdeule is disastrous for us.

    Problem : world cup is special. We have 3 month to prepare and to at the top. This what southern people doesn't understand.

    so AB and australin defeat are not a surpise. I want to insit on this point.

    By Blogger K, at October 10, 2007 9:56 pm  

  • I am an AB Fan over a French fan but you know what. I have to congratulate the French team. Sure that one try may have been forward but it shouldn't have made a difference. The French did outplay New Zealand and they deserve the victory. Congratulations France and all the other teams still in (and I have to congratulate the fans who still attempt to keep this civil and a gentleman's sport (such as TiLou has tried, among others).

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 11, 2007 6:12 pm  

  • Nice the new zealand commentators didnt seem to estatic LOL

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 12, 2007 1:43 pm  

  • Obviously the pass was forward by about a metre but the frogs deserved to win the world cup, But the bloody english bastards had to knocked them out!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 14, 2007 12:13 am  

  • Sorry any team that goes for 20 phases in front of goal when they are 2 points down and doesn't go for the drop goal deserves to lose for sheer stupidity

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at October 14, 2007 4:52 pm  

  • good to finally see the All Blacks on the bad receiving end of a dodgey call!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 25, 2007 8:31 pm  

  • I am furious about this.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 31, 2007 10:22 pm  

  • You can complain about the forward pass all you want. At the end of the day one of the first things you're taught in rugby is to play the whistle.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 29, 2008 8:02 pm  


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at April 05, 2008 2:42 am  

  • the infamous forward pass happened on the half way line, no NZers should be complaining if their defense and general team performance wasnt a shambles france wouldnt have been able to win

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 18, 2008 4:46 pm  

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