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Saturday, December 04, 2010

Barbarians too good for South Africa at Twickenham

This week’s frozen weather couldn’t prevent a star-studded Barbarians side running red hot earlier today, putting four tries past current world champions South Africa to win 26-20 at Twickenham.

It was a fine way to celebrate 120 years of Baa-Baas rugby, and the skill and ability of this Barbarians team gave thrilling reassurance to one of rugby’s most historic and treasured traditions.

Tries from James O’Connor, Quinton Geldenhuys and two from Drew Mitchell proved to be the difference between the sides, although South Africa scored three tries themselves through Odwa Ndungane, Bakkies Botha and Bandise Maku.

The Springboks had only retained three of the line-up that beat England last Saturday and had no answer to Mitchell or man-of-the-match countryman Anton van Zyl, who was dominant in the lineout and contributed well in the loose.

The Barbarians certainly lived up to their name in the early quarters of the game, providing some entrepreneurial running rugby to warm the 30 000 fans, with a fantastic kick-through from James O’Connor to give Mitchell his second score a particular highlight.

Mitchell barged over from close range for his first try before O’Connor scored and converted his own. But when a forced pass from Nonu was intercepted by Springbok wing Ndungane early in the second half, South Africa were handed a lifeline back into the game.

There were further scores from Geldenhuys for the Barbarians and Botha and Maku for the South Africans but the result was never in doubt.

Barbarians head coach Nick Mallett, who coached South Africa from 1997 to 2000, said he relished the victory: "The first 30 minutes was some of the best rugby I've seen in the November Tests. We cut South Africa to pieces in the first half-hour and left a couple more tries out there.

"We got some great ball in the first half but then South Africa put us under pressure in the second. It's a strange feeling when you hear the national anthem of the team you've coached but I take my hat off to these guys."

South Africa coach Peter De Villiers did find positives in his side’s defeat: "We lost the game but we won a lot in other respects. It wasn't a Test match but it was a test to see how good we really are with our youngsters and our depth.

"Everybody wanted to show what they could do and the team didn't perform as a unit. But we talked at half-time and they pulled it together. Our youngsters did very well."

Barbarian captain Matt Giteau highlighted the significance of his side’s triumph as a firm argument to maintain the longstanding tradition, whose place in the modern game has at times been questioned:

"When a national side gets beaten by an invitation team that's a very important game. It's got huge relevance," he said.

Time: 05:43



  • A few points of interest in a great game...
    1) adi jacobs could not even tackle a criple person..(RD, please post one adi jacobs tackle it will be impossible to find) so this performance reafirms what everyone already knew... he has got to go.
    2) why not change the national anthem for the barbarians from god save queen to baa baa black sheep...? it is more relevent.
    3) some good running rugby from kanko,alberts and co but i was also dissapointed with the kicking game... steyns place is cemented if no one else can kick, left a lot of points on the table... pat lambie should be the full time fullback.. fearless under high ball and in tackles plus can be utilized better on attacking plays. the number two (not sure his name Strauss?) was an imense runner but poor in the lineout... 1000 times better than chilliboy so that was great to see. it always seemed like matt G was throwing hospital passes(for those unaware of this term, the kind of pass that lands a fellow in hospital) to nonu, trying to get him injured or something. all were up high above his head.
    i did not proof read this comment but it makes sense to me.... :) I wish there would be a game were a full strength international team would take on a full strength barbarians team... maybe like a lions tour deal where there is more than a week or two to prepare.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 04, 2010 9:14 pm  

  • Ban the 'funny' anonymous' IP(s), please! Or at least remove the oh so intelligent comments.

    I would be worried that the 'all-stars' could only manage a 5 point win.
    waiting for the highlights!

    By Anonymous Stubby, at December 04, 2010 9:27 pm  

  • oops 6 points

    By Anonymous Non-anonymous, at December 04, 2010 9:29 pm  

  • oops 6 points

    By Anonymous Non-anonymous, at December 04, 2010 9:29 pm  

  • Good game to watch and a clear talent in the South Africa full back, which does beg the question why isn't he your first choice.

    Also think the difference could have been more if the Baa Baa's hadn't changed so many players in the second half. Guess it's so everyone gets a chance to play for the Baa Baa's.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 04, 2010 10:17 pm  

  • Great game of rugby, although it seems strange that South Africa didn't put out a full strength team for what was arguably their hardest test of the tour. Good to see such a strong line-up being themselves available for the invitational side though.

    One only needs to look at the All Blacks' northern tour results last season (they only lost one fixture - to the Baa-Baa's) to see that the Baa-Baa's are a serious fixture. Would be good to see international teams taking it as more of a challenge in future!

    By Anonymous FP, at December 04, 2010 11:42 pm  

  • Ok, Lambie is good but man he can't kick at goal. Jantjies looked terrified in some parts of the game (I remember Tialata running over him), but fair play for Pity de Villiers for bringing in young guys.

    Drew Mitchell... the in form winger nowadays. And Genia is brilliant.

    Anybody else thinks the game should've been played in a smaller ground? Say the Madejski Stadium, ther was no way ther would be 80,000 at Twickers with that cold. A smaller stadium would help to create some atmosphere


    By Anonymous Juggernauter, at December 05, 2010 3:13 am  

  • In the words of the great Greek poet: "d'oh!"

    By Anonymous Homer, at December 05, 2010 3:32 am  

  • Quite possibly one of the worst Bok lineups. Even worse than the team that lost to the club sides last year.

    Physically that backline was weak... All players in the backline were no bigger than 85-90kg...

    Barbarians should have put 50 on them, I bet you the Barbarians in their couple of days training are better coached than the Boks. PdV and Muir... what a joke.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 05, 2010 4:00 am  

  • Big fan of Lambie and have been following him for a while, but he isn't usually a 15. Normally 10 or 12 for the Sharks and damn good at it too.

    A big player for the Bokke in the future.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 05, 2010 5:00 am  

  • Anonymous said
    "Physically that backline was weak... All players in the backline were no bigger than 85-90kg..."

    Oz seems to do alright with a light backline. If they're light then they should be able to out run/manoeuvre their heavier opposition.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 05, 2010 8:23 am  

  • FP said...One only needs to look at the All Blacks' northern tour results last season (they only lost one fixture - to the Baa-Baa's) to see that the Baa-Baa's are a serious fixture.

    But maybe it shows the opposite. Barbarians matches are always going to be considered exhibition games and will never carry the same weight as a true test match. That's why touring sides often don't field their most obvious team but they play with more freedom which sometimes means they get beaten. If Baa-Baas games were always treated like tests then they would lose some of the spirit which makes them a welcome change.

    By Anonymous secondfive, at December 05, 2010 9:38 am  

  • At first I couldn't believe SA were taking shots at goal without testing their attack... But after seeing it was average anyway it was understandable. Pretty sad given the attacking talent SA has at Super rugby level.

    By Blogger Ben, at December 05, 2010 11:05 am  

  • well...for a team just threw together with allota youngsters against a team with arguably the best players in the world threw together...the boks did pretty good.

    Elton jantjies and patrick lambie looks promising,sure elton is a bit light but no one really ran through the kid..He is actually a great tee kicker,cant relly judge the kid on debut.

    I think if we had our real 2nd string centres there,Wynand Olivier and Juan de Jong,thing could have been different,cause the other blokes didnt play to bad.Adi missed 20 taqels and made 0 where our n.12 andries strauss offered nothing on attack.

    All in All..im happy with the depth we had to offer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 05, 2010 11:38 am  

  • I know the books were against a team of 'the best' in some respects, however most baa baa matches generally dont fall too much in favour of the baa baas....... Yes they might be elite etc, however they are not a team in themselves, they don't train together (much anyway) whereas the boks will have trained a lot, that being said, I thinkthey performed quite well, and as always it's nice to have an excuse to blood young players.....

    By Anonymous Resident Troll, at December 05, 2010 12:44 pm  

  • Anonymous a few up, actually Lambie played the majority of his rugby at 15 for the Sharks in the Super 14. He's good there too.

    Great ambition by the Barbarians. Running everything for the first 5 mins of the game

    By Anonymous Laz, at December 05, 2010 1:13 pm  

  • how is it that the SA under 20s (practically) gave such a strong baabaas team such a good run for their money?

    Showing some real depth in their ranks there.Could've actually wrapped up that gamehad they not given away such a senseless try in the opening minutes. impressive

    By Anonymous winkie-fiddler, at December 05, 2010 3:10 pm  

  • "how is it that the SA under 20s (practically) gave such a strong baabaas team such a good run for their money?

    Showing some real depth in their ranks there.Could've actually wrapped up that gamehad they not given away such a senseless try in the opening minutes. impressive".

    BaaBaas spend the week drinking and only had 4 days together.

    And SA have great depth as well.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 05, 2010 3:35 pm  

  • It's a shame what has happened to Barbarians games at the end of the year. When I went to Twickenham in November 1992 I saw the Barbarians v. Australia...it was a PACKED HOUSE..and the Aussies put out their best team. It was a real test match atmosphere with a star studded Barabrians team. Now the house is 1/2 full.....it's a real shame.

    I guess that is the price of professionalism....which I agree has made the game better in many areas.

    By Anonymous JPM, at December 05, 2010 6:45 pm  

  • That pass for the first try! Phenomenal. And then Tialata's facesmashing charge for the 2nd. Just great stuff to watch, for any side.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 05, 2010 7:09 pm  

  • Honestly, who really cares about the Baa Baas? (funny how they were in fact mostly represented by sheep-loving countries lol). They don't belong to any national identity and if the crowd attendance was anything to go by, even though it was very cold, this quaint little tradition ain't gonna be around for long, much to the regret of the teary-eyed old fart patting them on the back in the stands...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 05, 2010 8:17 pm  

  • It was a Baa Baas match, so don't read too much into it. It was essentially a 3N exhibition match with South Africa vs. Australia/NZ. Just wondering, who picks the lineups in these things?

    SA lost, but so what? The game is just supposed to be a bit of fun, but yeah, SA could take some stuff away from the match. Like that Willem Alberts should be playing for SA much more than he does, either at 8 or flanker. Or that Bakkies Botha is a douche (what was with pushing players into the ground after clearouts? Didn't he get the memo that this is supposed to be a friendly match?) Or that Jacobs is awful and Lambie is not very suited for fullback.

    Out of curiosity, how much were tickets for the match? Attendance-wise, it looked like a second-rate ITM Cup game, or a Magners League match in Wales.

    By Anonymous alf, at December 05, 2010 8:23 pm  

  • Who is running these games and setting the ticket prices??!!!

    If the ground is half full you have set the ticket prices too high. Set the price point correctly so you can fill the ground people!

    It's better to have 80,000 people paying 20 pounds than 40,000 people paying 40 pounds.

    You get the same revunue and the atmosphere is much better.

    By Anonymous DUH, at December 05, 2010 8:28 pm  

  • "this quaint little tradition ain't gonna be around for long"

    Yeah, because 120 years isn't anything to go by. Why on earth would the tradition end? Surely, the players must get a kick out of it, too.

    The reason people care about the Barbaians matches is partially what you seem to complain about. Like you said, there's no single identity to it; it's just a bunch of good players, playing good rugby. Note the lack of penalty kicks (glad O'Connor missed his). Running rugby at its best. That's the point.

    By Anonymous alf, at December 05, 2010 8:29 pm  

  • Amazing how ignorant some people are. I'm guessing some of these comments above are from young guys in places that aren't traditional rugby countries.

    No wonder you post anonymously. Embarrassing.

    About the attendances, it was the fourth match in a row at twickenham. I'd say most people paid to watch England play for the previous 3 weeks. Next time their should be more local players playing, and maybe it shouldn't be after such big tests. Maybe then SA wouldn't pick a weakened side either.

    By Anonymous Benson, at December 05, 2010 8:54 pm  

  • At least a South African was the man of the match...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 05, 2010 9:41 pm  

  • Well, I think that... as long as there will be people who really care about rugby....Babaas's star will be shinning!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 05, 2010 9:46 pm  

  • Guys if you dont have anything constructive to say please dont just post for the sake of it. Those who are saying the Barbarians are a dying tradition etc and SA are rubbish please zip it. That was a young inexperienced South African side still with some real talent (lambie, aplon etc) and yes the Ba Ba's only came together recently but as they are world class professionals they can play with virtually anyone besides them as they still have confidence in their teamates abilities. And I can tell you that for most professionals, being invited to play for the Barbarians is one of their career highlights and something they are very honoured to do. It is and an awesome advert for the sport regarding camaraderie and gamesmanship and exciting running rugby. And if you actually played rugby and knew the sport you would know that that is what we actually love most about it! The ticketing and advertising and yes the fact teams always put out 2nd string teams is a shame but still....what a game!!
    So get clued in or go play in the traffic!

    Rant over.

    By Anonymous SpencaH, at December 05, 2010 10:22 pm  

  • Don't write us all off, Benson. I'm young and from the states and I love Baabaas rugby.

    I think some of the comments might actually be from rugby-rich nations where the game might get taken for granted.

    But in any case, the fact is that if you love rugby, then games/traditions like this should be right up your alley.

    By Anonymous fry, at December 05, 2010 10:32 pm  

  • Who were those kids that walked out with the players hand in hand? Were they just for show or was there some significance?

    By Anonymous asafa, at December 05, 2010 10:58 pm  

  • fry, you're right, I apologise. I just got the impression that it's noobs who make such comments.

    By Anonymous Benson, at December 05, 2010 11:09 pm  

  • At least Mallet 'let them loose' Baabaa style. (Unfortunately PdV 'let us lose' bokke style...)

    But to give PdV some credit: One SHOULD experiment when playing the Baabaa's. The players he picked are known for their attacking flair (OK, minus Strauss... but someone has to stop Nonu. I don't want to do it!).
    On the other hand, to debut against an all star team like that, when you are 20! No thanks!
    As an aside, Drew Mitchell is mister On Form right now. Bare-assed and all. (I thought ozzies only strip when they get drunk? Maybe we should do the breathelizor test on Drew pre-match?)
    Our best fullback is playing overseas, Joe Peterson. No more Zane, dear god! Please, no more Zane...

    By Anonymous Bennie V, at December 06, 2010 12:01 am  

  • Tickets for the bottom tier was 70 quid, which is quite a bit. The speaker said after the game that no. of spectators was 31000 or smth like it. To Me i looked like the first tier was 3/4 full and the seconds tier about 1/3.

    By Anonymous rubjoern, at December 06, 2010 12:19 am  

  • Poor Bakkies :( That mean second-rower should learn that you're not supposed to pick on other lock forwards--you're supposed to do flying head butts on defenseless wingers and scrummies. Silly, silly Baa Baa.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 06, 2010 12:36 am  

  • I am dissappointed that the baas baas are becoming a southern hemisphere all star team, pepppered with a few northerners. I'd enjoy seeing for players from lesser nations involved (been awhile since we've seen a Canadian, biased I know, but big Al Charron used to be a regular).

    Haven't seen a frenchman for a bit either? Something to do with contractual obligations?

    Either way that speedy wing from Samoa who tore up the sevens circuit would be more fun to watch than drew mitchell vs SA for the 5th time this year.

    By Anonymous Canadian content, at December 06, 2010 1:30 am  

  • Usually whoever coaches the Baabaas gets to pick the majority of the players.
    It changes all the time though.
    In Novemeber it's become a case of alot of SH guys staying an extra week in Europe to play for the Barbarians before they head home. But in June when Ireland played the Baabaas, that was a very different team with alot more non-SH representation, simply because of availability.

    By Anonymous Tom, at December 06, 2010 3:38 am  

  • Yeah the baabaas should choose some inform NH players like....ummmm....oh.

    By Anonymous (u-p)rick, at December 06, 2010 10:29 am  

  • Nice one ba baas - love the attitude and enjoyed the game. Can't see why people don't get that these games are about flamboyance and running skills....a tradition that all players should be proud to maintain. Was a little sad that South Africa opted for kicked points early on. As many people have pointed out since it is an exhibition game the style of play should try to match that.

    As for Bloodfya - I am sorry that you don't find the National Anthem to your taste, its' just an anthem and perhaps the host nation should be allowed the anthem wherever the game is held? Anyhow the club was invented by an English Cambridge University graduate so get over it....

    Nice one (u-p)rick, sorry that there are no inform NH players at the moment.

    By Anonymous NiWiTa, at December 06, 2010 2:59 pm  

  • i have never had a problem with the anthem, I just pointed out that there was no one on the team from the host nation. perhaps no anthem should be played... or a new anthem that represents the club as a collection of multiple countries.
    I love the queen. every one does:{)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 06, 2010 5:40 pm  

  • "He is still right up this fight because he is Bakkies Botha."

    Moment of genius from the commentators

    Good game rugby in true BarBars style.

    By Anonymous Shark Attack, at December 06, 2010 5:47 pm  

  • Bakkies doesn't like it when people drop the knee in after he has scored.

    What a contradiction from a has-been filthy cheat.

    Even funnier was that he was almost stopped from scoring a try from a meter out with no-1 in front of him.

    Time to retire and take your place in the local mental facility bakkies.


    By Anonymous :-), at December 07, 2010 12:01 am  

  • Ha love him or hate him but dont discount him.

    I admit he can be a bit of a calamity sometimes but who wouldnt want him on their team?
    He's passionate, big, strong and hugely committed

    The Enforcer - legend of Bokke rugby

    By Anonymous Shark Attack, at December 07, 2010 12:41 am  

  • I wouldn't want Bakkies on my team. He cheats way too much and is just a terrible sportsman IMO.

    Dont get me wrong, cheating is good if your an openside trying to steal the ball, but when you stick your fingers in someones eyes or drop knees on someones back then it becomes a different story.

    He is a thug.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 07, 2010 5:36 am  

  • Yeah yeah, keep trolling anonymous.
    Bakkies has won everything there is possible to win in the game. Currie Cup, Super 14, Tri Nations, World Cup, British & Irish Lions series win. There's a reason he's been first choice in those teams. You're plain ignorant if you can't see that.

    In a career at the HIGHEST level spanning almost 11 years, he has about 5 blotches to his name. Thats 5 incidents that took a few seconds to commit, some of them not even very serious.

    In fact go on, list them for me.

    By Anonymous Scotsdale, at December 07, 2010 9:15 am  

  • Just to add to that, I don't condone some of the stupid things he's done, but the fact is that he's a great rugby player and will go down as one of the best (and most successor) second rowers to have played the game.

    Rugby is an immensely physical sport and intimidation is a huge part of it. Bakkies is hugely valuable to any team in that regard.

    By Anonymous Scotsdale, at December 07, 2010 9:19 am  

  • 1. He received a yellow card for stamping on his debut against France

    2. Suspended for eight weeks for "attacking the face" in August 2003

    3. In April 2009 he received a 3 match ban for striking Phil Waugh in a Super 14 match

    4. June 2009 whilst playing for South Africa in the second test against the British and Irish Lions, Botha was banned for two weeks for a dangerous charge on the Lions prop Adam Jones in a ruck which left the Welsh player with a dislocated shoulder requiring surgery (Although in fairness to the dumb*ss he was just counter-rucking and caught Jones awkwardly)

    5. He head-butted All Black halfback Jimmy Cowan, an incident uncited by the referee during the match. For this incident he was given a suspension for all Rugby for 9 weeks

    6. Cited for a tackle on Gio Aplon which lead to a four week ban (this was his first time captaining the bulls, great leadership...)

    7. The lock was cited after television replays showed him appearing to slap Coastal Sharks number eight Ryan Kankowski

    Thats all I can really be bothered finding right now and I think that only dates back to 08/09 season.

    And for the record, Im not trolling one bit, I'm simply expressing my opinion. Its not my fault we don't agree.

    By Anonymous Link, at December 07, 2010 11:09 pm  

  • hahahah @ Link you are a legend.

    @ Scotsdale, there's your list you naive idiot.

    Bakkies will NEVER be known as a legend of our game. He's an average second rower who has been carried by Matfield most of his career. Matfield will go down as a legend and his attitude is great.

    The eye-gouging and headbutting enforcer - Bok Legend


    By Anonymous :-), at December 08, 2010 12:23 am  

  • "Rugby is an immensely physical sport and intimidation is a huge part of it. Bakkies is hugely valuable to any team in that regard."

    hmm great point, everyone should have a skill-less gorilla on their team JUST for intimidation, thats not a waste at all

    By Anonymous MCB, at December 08, 2010 1:10 am  

  • Bakies is a good player, if you can't see that you don't know rugby.

    By Anonymous Jono, at December 08, 2010 1:44 am  

  • you dont know rugby

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 08, 2010 3:57 am  

  • Thanks for the list, that's exactly what I was after. You can take #4 off the list.

    The rest, as I said, over the course of a 11 year career is not that bad. It's not ideal, but it shows that the reputation he has is because of how he plays the game, not actually because of life threatening incidents he's been involved in. A wing, for example, would have to be a mug to have a similar rap sheet. That's purely because of their roles.

    Danny Grewcock, Paul O'Connell, Martin Johnson, all these guys have similar rap sheets for incidents over the YEARS of their international careers. But do we go around calling them thugs and ignoring their obvious positive contributions? No.

    Yes Matfield will be a legend, but Bakkies will be a legend of South African rugby because we can readily acknowledge the important role he's played for both the bulls and the boks.

    MCB, calling him skill-less is incredibly ignorant.

    Smiley face, get back under the bridge.

    Bakkies is no doubt a liability at times in terms of discipline, but I can't think of a team in the world that wouldn't honestly say they'd love to have him as part of their squad. And no, I dont mean the narrow minded fans. I mean the experts, coaches, and teamates.

    Well said Jono. Couldn't agree more.

    By Anonymous Scotsdale, at December 08, 2010 10:19 am  

  • Your right, Iv actually never watched a game, i just like to comment on here like a idiot.

    By Anonymous Jono, at December 08, 2010 11:18 pm  

  • @ Scotsdale your still an idiot. Your rant is irrelevant and you have again proven your a muppet.

    Sure Bakkies will be a legend of "South African Rugby" because he his a great reflection of your team.

    Gutless, dirty and seriously lacking in skill.

    On your way Scotsdale. Your probably Bokke_2007 re-named to escape all the criticism you arrogant twat!

    By Anonymous On your way Scotsdale, at December 08, 2010 11:24 pm  

  • "Danny Grewcock, Paul O'Connell, Martin Johnson, all these guys have similar rap sheets for incidents over the YEARS of their international careers."

    Where is your proof for your accusations against these players?

    If we look at Links list here, take the first two off and then look at it...all of those incidents have been in the last two years. You will be hard pressed to find another international player with that kind of ill-discipline record.

    When I was introduced into the world of rugby, it was all about discipline. Every aspect of the game has discipline throughout it.

    By Anonymous Slugby, at December 09, 2010 12:38 am  

  • @ Scotsdale all these accusations need some backing up dude!

    But I do agree that 2nd rowers always find themselves some trouble on the field... But Bakkies seems to find a bit more trouble than the rest ;-)

    At smiley face, I actually miss Bokke_2007 he was pretty funny.

    Plus I don't think Bakkies is a reflection on SA, John Smit even commented that his recent headbutt was stupid and there was no place in the game for it (words to that effect).

    By Anonymous Nicko, at December 09, 2010 1:01 am  

  • Yeah, Bakies Both helped win the World Cup, the Tri-nations, the Lions series and the S14 by being a bad player.
    Fuck some people are retarded.
    Botha is big, strong and fast. He physically imposes himself on other teams. His defence is excellent, and his rucking is also excellent.
    He is a good player.
    He also has major problems with illdiscipline, and this has made him a liability at times.

    That's the truth of it. If you want to bury your head in the sand because Botha and the Boks have kicked the shit out fo your national team many, many times, go right ahead, anonymous European poster.
    It must suck to get beaten all the time.

    By Anonymous Jono, at December 09, 2010 4:09 am  

  • "Botha is big, strong and fast."

    No no, you seem to be exaggerating a wee bit here mate, Jonah Lomu was big, strong and fast, Spies is big, strong and fast. Bakkies is not fast.
    Anyways, thats neither here nor there.

    "That's the truth of it. If you want to bury your head in the sand because Botha and the Boks have kicked the shit out fo your national team many, many times, go right ahead, anonymous European poster.
    It must suck to get beaten all the time."

    Well thats not all true, Ireland have a 75% success rate against the Boks in the last 4 seasons.

    Anywho... Im not arguing that Bakkies is a good player. He isn't the caliber of 'legendary' in world rugby (maybe he is in SA, yes and that is understandable). All my argument was that I wouldn't have Bakkies on MY team which was a reply to SharkAttack, simple as. Was just expressing my opinion's lads.

    By Anonymous Link, at December 09, 2010 4:26 am  

  • See that's a reasonable thing to say ^
    Makes alot more sense than "Botha sucks"

    By Anonymous Jono, at December 10, 2010 11:36 pm  

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