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Wednesday, October 20, 2010

Midweek Madness - Shane Williams hurdles Topsy Ojo

This is a quick clip that was actually posted to the Rugbydump Facebook Page earlier in the week and features Shane Williams hurdling over opposing wing Topsy Ojo of London Irish during their match on the weekend.

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Back to this video now though - it features twinkle toed Williams on attack as he slipped through the defense then tried to avoid the covering Ojo by stepping inside and taking off. It probably wasn't so much dangerous as it was freakish.

"Topsy Ojo is a very good defender, he's very quick as well, I just assumed I wasn't going to go around him, I certainly wasn't going to go through him and it was a last gasp attempt to just get over him!

"Luckily enough he didn't even touch me I don't think, but there was cover defence there and I got absolutely creamed in the end and lost the ball so a bit disappointing," he said afterwards.

Williams scored a fantastic try in the match too, which you can check out in the related posts (under the video) as well as some other great videos.
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Time: 01:25

Now correct me if im wrong but last time i heard it's a penalty offence to jump into a tackle or in this case over or tackle and thus it should of been a penalty to London Irish

By Stevo, at October 20, 2010 5:01 pm
it's a penalty offence Stevo no doubt... no idea why it wasn't given...

But lil Shane is really looking back to his best, just in time for the AIs... if he stays on song Wales might have a shout come 6N season

By Hackney Griffin, at October 20, 2010 5:05 pm
spectacular clip!!! love seeing him running around again.
but the first thing that sprang to my mind was also how can this be legal. Guess i'm not the only one...

By dutchrugbyplayer, at October 20, 2010 5:14 pm
Great to watch... I think a chip kick might have resulted in a try though...

By Donovan, at October 20, 2010 5:17 pm
If that had been a try then in my opinion it would have been one of the best tries of all time- irrespective of the hurdling offence.
I'm fairly sure however that it was flagged as an offence by the ref? He signals a foul then allows advantage to be played..

By J, at October 20, 2010 5:18 pm
If he didnt knock on the penalty would of been given. This guy is amazing though, burnt 3 defenders to get through the gap.

By Anonymous, at October 20, 2010 5:20 pm
Not that i can actually remember it, but i got knocked the fuck out one time by a guy that tried that but caught my head with his knee.

Pretty sure that was totally illegal, but shane williams really is unreal with ball in hand, never no what to expect.

By Anonymous, at October 20, 2010 5:22 pm
haha that was great the ospreys? jerseys look pretty nice too

By Anonymous, at October 20, 2010 5:24 pm
....I think we're all missing the point here...

There would be a tribute video to shane williams life with 'Shane Williams 1977-2010' written across it if he hadn't hurdled that tackle!!!!

By Anonymous, at October 20, 2010 5:33 pm
Didn't Rocky Elsom get caught trying to hurdle a defender 5 yards from the try line while playing for Australia last year?
Straightaway there was a penalty and disbelief from commentators at the dangerous play.
Yet this appeared to have the ref flag for the knock-on ? ! and the commentators marvel at his brilliance/audacity/impish tricks.

By se_leinster, at October 20, 2010 5:37 pm
yeah fantastic shane williams- crossing in midfield what got him in the gap then he out run 3 forwards (what winger in the world can do that)and then illegally colin jacksons over Ojo gets smashed and knocks on, so all in all a nice bit of play

By Anonymous, at October 20, 2010 5:49 pm
You dummies saying it's illegal, please, where does it say that in the IRB lawbook?

Just because Elsom was penalized for it doesn't mean it's illegal. I don't see anything in the lawbook about "jumping a tackle" being dangerous play.

Now, I guess a subjective referee could always penalize it if he deems it dangerous and wants to blow his whistle, but thank god this referee didn't.

By not illegal, at October 20, 2010 6:01 pm
'I don't see anything in the lawbook about "jumping a tackle" being dangerous play.'

Then you should either learn to read, look harder, or look in a rule book for rugby.

It is illegal to jump over a player, whether this player is laying prone on the ground, or whatnot.....trust me i blasted a ref for pinging me on this due....(which i might add earnt me 10 mins in the bin...the blasting, not the jumping....that little weasel faced mother*****!!!!!!)

By Resident Troll, at October 20, 2010 6:04 pm
There is no law that states jumping in this way is illegal. However it is excluded under the "dangerous play" section of the IRB laws and under the laws "spirit of the game."

In this case:

It is dangerous and therefore illegal to tackle a player whose feet leave the ground:

http://www.irblaws.com/EN/laws/3/10/95/during-the-match/foul-play/dangerous-play-and-misconduct/#clause_95

Ojo cannot therefore make a tackle on Williams once Williams jumps, this is clearly not in the spirit of the game and is therefore illegal:

http://www.irblaws.com/EN/charters/3/principles-of-the-laws/

More generally, the issue arrises when a player jumps into a tackle. This is clearly dangerous play and also illegal.

By Hackney Griffin, at October 20, 2010 6:15 pm
3 fouls and its halled as great. wow

By not a retard, at October 20, 2010 6:16 pm
@ Hackney Griffin

Reminds me a bit of the ploy the Argentinians used years and years ago where they used to have one player pick up the player who had the ball.

As it is illegal to tackle a man in the air, the defence could not touch the ball carrier, and as it is also illegal to tackle a man who is not in possession of the ball, they could not touch the player holding the ball carrier either.

As a result, the Argies would just walk down the middle of the pitch to the tryline and score without anyone legally being able to lay a finger on them!

By Believer, at October 20, 2010 6:24 pm
Anonymoussaid...yeah fantastic shane williams- crossing in midfield what got him in the gap then he out run 3 forwards

I think you'll find they tackled byrne the dummy runner then tried to claim it was crossing.. thats not crossing my friend

By ElTigre, at October 20, 2010 6:32 pm
That guy is a fukin legend, he makes little guys like me proud!

By Anonymous, at October 20, 2010 6:35 pm
He didn't jump into the tackle. In fact, Ojo had pretty much missed Williams already. He went for the tackle too earyly. If Williams had kept running, he would have just run into Ojo (wouldn't have been a tackle, just a collision). By jumping, his speed moving forwards decreased meaning Ojo would miss him completely.

I've watched the clip a couple of times now and Williams didn't actually jump over Ojo. Williams' feet barely get higher than Ojo's ass.

"Didn't Rocky Elsom get caught trying to hurdle a defender 5 yards from the try line while playing for Australia last year"

Rocky jumped straight into a player who would have made the tackle anyway. Williams was really just avoiding a collision as Ojo had already missed him.

- KG

By Anonymous, at October 20, 2010 6:46 pm
"yeah fantastic shane williams- crossing in midfield what got him in the gap then he out run 3 forwards (what winger in the world can do that)and then illegally colin jacksons over Ojo gets smashed and knocks on, so all in all a nice bit of play"

Didn't they say in the match Kennedy (number 6 chasing him down) used to be a winger? Not to mention Williams first slips out of the grasp of a forward who seemed to have a good grasp of him and then managed to slip through a wall of players (2 forwards and a centre). I dunno about you but I find a small winger running through a wall of forwards with minimal room for maneuver and slip a tackle of a prop to be pretty impressive before considering the hurdling and out running of Kennedy.

- KG

By KG, at October 20, 2010 6:51 pm
"I think you'll find they tackled byrne the dummy runner then tried to claim it was crossing.. thats not crossing my friend"

Yes, most certainly went for a tackle. Does not seem like a cross to me. Number 6 just went for the dummy and claimed crossing had occurred.

- KG

By KG, at October 20, 2010 6:54 pm
FYI - The Elsom jump into a tackle that he was penalised for Rocky Elsom human hurdle attempt

By GMC, at October 20, 2010 7:10 pm
@ not a retard (inaccurate nick if ever I've seen one), it's not hailed as great. It's hailed as being different. How often have you seen that?? It's a light hearted random clip that I myself was also wanting to see. Get over yourself

By not a cynic, at October 20, 2010 7:18 pm
Jumping in the tackle. Yellow card.

By Anonymous, at October 20, 2010 7:24 pm
I hope there will always be a place for little guys with incredible quickness in rugby. A very special player.

By TB, at October 20, 2010 7:33 pm
"Just because Elsom was penalized for it doesn't mean it's illegal" ...

??

uh yeah it does actually

By Oli, at October 20, 2010 7:33 pm
Jumping a tackle can lead to catastrophic injuries to the jumper. Anything from an ankle tap to a well aimed dive tackle could do a lot of damage as you have a high center of gravity and literally no anchoring support.

By EARugbyFan, at October 20, 2010 7:38 pm
"Jumping a tackle can lead to catastrophic injuries to the jumper"
lol catastrophic
Anyway great clip from a great game.
Looking forward to the reverse fixture at the Madejski

By WelshOsprey, at October 20, 2010 7:58 pm
A knee to the face of a tackler wouldn't be pleasant either.

By Mike, at October 20, 2010 9:22 pm
"uh yeah it does actually"

Uh, no, it doesn't. As Hackney Griffin pointed out, there is no specific law regarding hurdling a tackle being illegal. Now, the referee could have deemed it dangerous (which would've been unfortunate, since there was nothing dangerous about this), or, as Griffin said, against the "spirit of the game", which would've been silly as this was just a bit of exciting rugby.

Williams didn't jump over the tackle to disallow Ojo from tackling him as per law 10.4.e, rather he did it to disallow Ojo the opportunity to tackle him altogether.

If anyone thinks this particular instance should've been penalized, then anytime where a player's feet leave the ground may as well be illegal as well including jumping to catch the ball, diving into the try zone, lineouts, etc.

Or maybe it should be illegal to attempt to duck under a tackle, since it puts the tackler at risk for committing a high tackle? No, because that would be silly too.

By not illegal, at October 20, 2010 9:39 pm
I was almost certain that was illegal. If not fairplay, looked awesome.

It's too dangerous though. That hurdle was an inch or two from being a repeat of the Tuilagi - Cueto incident.

By Chris, at October 20, 2010 10:27 pm
"lol catastrophic"

Mate, a broken neck is a viable outcome if your legs get clipped in mid air.

You only have to look at the NFL to see what happens when jumpers are tackled there.

Fortunately they have helmets on, which prevents broken necks. In rugby if you land on your head its game over.

This is the same principle as spear tackles. If you were to make hurdling people legal you'd have to make spearing someone legal. Same principle, same dangers.

It's great play but its fucking risky

By Chris, at October 20, 2010 10:32 pm
If anyone thinks this particular instance should've been penalized, then anytime where a player's feet leave the ground may as well be illegal as well including jumping to catch the ball, diving into the try zone, lineouts, etc.

.......

Okay, we'll allow people to hurdle tackles willy nilly. And then when a few people break their necks(and this would happen)... Then what?

Jeez some of you are deadset short sighted tools.

By Chris, at October 20, 2010 10:36 pm
in that clip I counted 6 different players throwing their hands up appealing to the officials instead of following the play.

What is happening to this sport...

By Sean, at October 20, 2010 10:45 pm
For those of you skeptics who do not understand the implications of being tackled in the air,

Get a (Plastic) bottle and hoist it with one hand in front of you, then drop it and simultaneously tap the bottom half with your other hands fingers.

You will see it spin wildly before hitting the ground.

I could delve deeper into the physics of it, however, I think you would be better served watching the following video clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzKKUJ5eRxo

By EARugbyFan, at October 20, 2010 11:54 pm
Penalty! But sick to watch, I think it was Rocky Elsome who tried to leapfrog the defense not to long ago... Not as spectacular and he got caught.

By jumjum, at October 20, 2010 11:57 pm
Chris, I'm not advocating that every player attempt to hurdle every tackle "willy nilly". Obviously any rational person would see that's ridiculous.

What I'm saying is that Williams did nothing exceedingly dangerous here. And therefore, the referee was right not to penalize it. Of course, other situations may be different and therefore deserve the discretion of the officials as to being "dangerous play" or "against the spirit of the game".

Thanks for calling me a short-sighted tool, though.

By not illegal, at October 20, 2010 11:59 pm
Was it Jimmy Goppert (?spelling?), the ex Blues 10 who jumped a ruck once to score a try? Instead of looking for a break he used the ruck so no one could touch him mid air. Pretty spectacular from what I recall.

Also on the small player thing. Any Irish fans pissed off at Fionn Carr (one of the best attackers in Europe) being over looked again in favour of SHANE FUCKING HORGAN? Seems rugby is for all shapes and sizes unless you play on the wing for Ireland. If Williams or Giteau were Irish we'd never have heard of them.

By Huh!! the 3rd, at October 21, 2010 12:42 am
"What I'm saying is that Williams did nothing exceedingly dangerous here. And therefore, the referee was right not to penalize it."

How can you say this wasn't dangerous? If Ojo went a few inches higher Williams would have been launched like a helicopter propeller!

Search for the Tuilagi - Cueto incident on Rugbydump. Better yet, go look at any NFL hits package and see what happens when players legs are clipped in the process of trying to hurdle.

There's nothing safe about that. F*cking lucky is what it is.

By Chris, at October 21, 2010 12:50 am
Chris you sound like my mum! Give it a rest, they are big boys. Maybe you should watch some youtube videos of people getting hit by cars and then you would never cross the road again... Now thats dangerous.

By Rich_W, at October 21, 2010 1:28 am
Maybe you should ask your Mummy how to put together a sound argument.

Doesn't matter if they're big boys, it's too dangerous. If hurdling tacklers become commonplace they'd be so many serious injuries that you'd see governments banning the sport.

I could say Lets bring back rucking, make contact with the face legal, shoulder charges, high tackles, spear tackles. Lets legalise it all. After all they're big boys and the choice to play the game is there's. Would you accept that? Would anyone accept that? Of course not, it's fucking stupid.

You realise how much of a fool you sound? Crossing the road isn't dangerous. Hurdling someone who's trying to tackle you is. They're not comparable. It's a moronic analogy.

500 people a year in Britain die from getting run down. Out of a population of 61 million. It's more than safe. Hurdling a tackler isn't

By Chris, at October 21, 2010 2:24 am
"Also on the small player thing. Any Irish fans pissed off at Fionn Carr (one of the best attackers in Europe) being over looked again in favour of SHANE FUCKING HORGAN?"

Yes.

By fry, at October 21, 2010 2:42 am
"500 people a year in Britain die from getting run down. Out of a population of 61 million. It's more than safe. Hurdling a tackler isn't"

How was Thom Evans' career ruined? It sure wasn't jumping a tackle. Should tackling a player be disallowed altogether? Should colliding with a player be considered dangerous play? No. That's silly.

By your own argument (what percentage of people doing X activity gets injured), jumping a tackle isn't dangerous either. Even in the Cueto-Tuilagi incident, did Cueto break his neck? No. He even had a go at fighting Tuilagi afterwards. How many players who hurdle a tackle have had their neck broken? None that I'm aware of. But yes, the possibility exists, so there would certainly be instances where a referee should call a penalty. This was not one of them.

You don't have to get so worked up. Just relax; the referee didn't penalize Williams for jumping the tackle, so obviously he was fine with it.

(And I watch NFL every Sunday and Monday and players do far more dangerous things than hurdling a tackle. Yes, I know it's because they have pads. Different game, different rules, different story.)

By not illegal, at October 21, 2010 2:54 am
You don't watch much American Football then. If you did you'd know hurdling is responsible for alot of serious injuries. Especially cervical injuries. That's in spite of the fact they're equipped with ample protection. Something rugby players are not.

As for the number of people hurdling tackles who've broke their neck. You're looking at numbers in their hundreds over the last few decades. Keep in mind it's the ratio of said injuries, not so much the numbers. Without the body armour in the NFL that number could very well be in the thousands.

Rugby has no meritable protective gear, it can't be played with the reckless abandon of Gridiron.

As you say, different game different rules. Hurdling tacklers isn't allowed in rugby. This referee should be dismissed of his position. He clearly doesn't understand the rules of rugby. Jumping into a tackler is both dangerous for the tackler and the man with the ball.

In the Cueto - Tuilagi incident Cueto was very lucky not to be seriously injured. He was fortunate that he landed on a favourable angle and his shoulder and arms took most the weight.

It's fucking daft and it's not fair on the tackler. The tackler is the one who'll be penalised and red carded when he does connect. As can be seen in the Tuilagi - Cueto incident.

It's dangerous. You can't have one rule for Shane Williams and another rule for everyone else. As much as you'd love it to be like that.

By Chris, at October 21, 2010 6:23 am
stop debating about the legality of the action, you've missed the point!

this video is about shane being in a good form. Even considering jumping over an opponent shows remarkable mental fortitude.

By Anonymous, at October 21, 2010 6:26 am
little bugger is lightning, that said, 2 shepherds and jumping into a tackle and none get pulled up. refs go nuts if a guy is lifted more than a foot off the ground or if someone is a bit slow at getting there arms around a player in a tackle and yet they let these go.

By Anonymous, at October 21, 2010 9:17 am
crossing? please, he beat the defense. Good to see him beating defenders with ease again.

By David, at October 21, 2010 11:25 am
Williams has clearly jumped over a tackle. Without the jump he was going to be tackled, and hard, by Ojo...

Those suggestion Ojo has mis-timed the tackle need to watch the clip again.

Those arguing that Williams action should not have been penalised are, IMO, very much mistaken.

The reason it is illegal is because it places the tackler in an impossible position. If contact is made it is dangerous (tackling a man in the air is dangerous play - something that is clearly right). The tackler cannot do anything about the ball carrier whilst he is in the air, and this clearly goes against the spirit of the game.

Believer's example of the Argentinian tactic, whilst fairly ridiculous, is exactly the same principle.

By Hackney Griffin, at October 21, 2010 11:26 am
On the crossing front, Williams clearly runs behind a dummy rummer who has made contact with the defenders... it is technically crossing and the referee would have been in the right had he blown... however I assume the referee believes the defenders still had sight of Williams and were not obstructed by the runner when Williams broke the line... so was not in the wrong here either.

By Hackney Griffin, at October 21, 2010 11:28 am
Ahhhhh I still think its' great to see wee Shane Williams ripping across the pitch like that....(and I am an England fan)..

All the folk debating the crossing thing are unfortunately missing the point "PLAY TO THE WHISTLE" which was emphasised by @Sean on this thread earlier. I think the Richie McGaw and the Allblacks would tell you the same. Shane took his chances and almost scored a try - what's not to like?

As regards the hurdling point I do understand the danger aspects. However @Chris mate please chill. It probably was illegal but no harm done this time around and Shane Williams took most of the risk himself judging by your valid comments earlier....

By NiWiTa, at October 21, 2010 2:22 pm
I'm chilled mate. The hypocrisy annoys me is all.

A polynesian bloke tackles someone without wrapping and the rugby world are calling for his head. A little Welsh chap attempts a far more dangerous move and everyone is in awe.

All I know is if Williams tried to hurdle an Islander and got clipped everyone on here would be outraged and baying for blood.

By Chris, at October 21, 2010 2:39 pm
"Those suggestion Ojo has mis-timed the tackle need to watch the clip again."

OK Ive watched the clip again (a few times) and Ojo definitely mistimed his tackle. If williams kept running he would have just run into the side of Ojo, ojo wouldnt have actually tackled him.

By Anonymous, at October 21, 2010 3:46 pm
Chris, I must say you make very consistent stupid points. 90% of a time they are not relevante or either what you say are incorrect.

By Flooz, at October 21, 2010 3:48 pm
Hey Flooz. Care to elaborate?

Your comment is both non-relevant and stupid. Somewhat ironic, considering.

If you have a valid argument in favour of hurdling tacklers please state it.

By Chris, at October 21, 2010 4:09 pm
If williams kept running he would have just run into the side of Ojo, ojo wouldnt have actually tackled him.

........

Mate, Ojo would have fucking crunched him. What clip are you watching?

By Chris, at October 21, 2010 4:09 pm
"Hey Flooz. Care to elaborate?  Your comment is both non-relevant and stupid. Somewhat ironic, considering.  If you have a valid argument in favour of hurdling tacklers please state it."

First, American football helmets do not protect from broken necks. they prevent from head to head collisions. the players have pads on top of shoulder pads which prevent the neck from damage. also we have arms and hands and are able to curl out backs which are very effective at preventing the neck from being impacted upon and so being braked. you do not simply land on your head and thus brake your neck.

Second, this is not the same as a spear tackle. with a spear tackle, you are picked up off the ground and driven into the floor. you have the weight of two people coming down upon you, there is not much rotation so you have a much greater chance of leading with the head.

With regards to Ojo being a few inches higher (and also to do with the post above me), it appears that ojo did make a mistake when timing for the tackle and i assume that williams made his decision based on this. he did not just jump blindly. remember, williams is a very good player.

Also, NFL is irrelevant. rugby and nfl are two different sports with different rules of tackling, different styles of tackling. really the only similarity is the ball shape which is actually different.

and this play has nothing to do with islanders (of who I have nothing against)

to be honest it is more your postings in other threads which made me think this of you previously. i just saw you making silly posts again.

please excuse my english. it is very difficult to pose an effective argument using a language which is not natural to you.

By Flooz, at October 21, 2010 4:41 pm
Flooz said:
".... First, American football helmets do not protect from broken necks. they prevent from head to head collisions. the players have pads on top of shoulder pads which prevent the neck from damage...."

Please google "Cramer Collar"

Flooz also said:

"... also we have arms and hands and are able to curl out backs which are very effective at preventing the neck from being impacted upon and so being braked. you do not simply land on your head and thus brake your neck..."

Question. Did anyone watch the clip I posted above? The hurdling issue comes down to physics.

Posted again for emphasis.
Dangerous Tackle Jump by Jahvid Best

By EARugbyFan, at October 21, 2010 5:08 pm
I dont watch or play American football often so it is understandable if I do not know the term for that particular piece of equipment which isn't used in the sport I watch, rugby.

he did not land on his head or neck and break it. also, this situation is not the same as the ojo williams situation where williams does not actually hurdle ojo but jumps up and to the side.

By Flooz, at October 21, 2010 5:28 pm
@not a cynic. its difffernent cause everybody since the age of 12 knows not to jump into a takle and i just think its wrong hailing such foul play. forgive me and u get over your self.

By not a reatrd, at October 21, 2010 5:50 pm
@ fry. i am.

By not a retard, at October 21, 2010 5:54 pm
There is no law but referees consider jumping into a tackle dangerous. refer to this rugby referee forum for this discussion on jumping tackles http://www.rugbyrefs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6934

By Anonymous, at October 21, 2010 8:17 pm
I give up.

By EARugbyFan, at October 21, 2010 8:31 pm
"I give up."

I would also if I was you

By Flooz eats monkey spunk, at October 21, 2010 9:24 pm
Shane Williams is one of the best wingers in the world, lightning fast and quick on his feet but that was not an example of one of his superb trys. If anything that was an example of bad reffing, first there is the crossing at the start which allows him to break. Two players block the defence as Williams runs around them, then having made the gap he jumps over Topsy Ojo. It is illegal to jump into the tackle so should of been a penalty to London Irish!

Those of you saying thats not the point, we should admire the skill are wrong. The only skill to admire in this clip is the raw pace to take Kennedy, a second row, on the outside. The space was created by crossing so there was no skill, or his fantastic quick feet, to create the gap.

By Greg10, at October 22, 2010 1:51 am
1) Crossing did not occur. The defending player went for a dummy runner and claimed he was blocked. Watch again and look closely. I also thought crossing had occurred at first.

2) As said, it is not illegal to jump into a tackle. Regardless, Ojo mistimed his tackle and Williams was not actually jumping into a tackle.

3) Kennedy was a former winger.

4) What should be admired is Williams slipping out of the grasp of a forward (a prop I think), then running through a small gap between 3 players, then outrunning Kennedy, the former winger, then avoiding a collision (not a tackle) with Ojo.

By KG, at October 22, 2010 5:10 pm
Andre Watson has said he feels that this piece of unique skill from Shane was not illegal.

Can't help but feel he knows better than me, so accept his view.

I assume that it's viewed as evading a tackle, rather than jumping into it.

KG

He does cross however... he runs behind the Ospreys 2, while the Irish 1 attempts a tackle... crossing...

Ojo does not mis-time that tackle... watch the clip again, if Williams does not jump he is getting hammered. The replay from behind the Irish line in particular makes this apparent.

By Hackney Griffin, at October 25, 2010 1:09 pm
neck from being impacted upon and so being braked. you do not simply land on your head and thus brake your neck

Yeah ? tell that to Rodney O donnel the lions tourist...

By Anonymous, at January 13, 2011 10:45 pm