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Thursday, January 15, 2009

Jerry Collins injured by awkward looking tackle

Some of you may have heard about Toulon flanker Jerry Collins being injured on the weekend after only ten minutes in the Top 14 match against Brive. Thanks to another valued contributor and fan, we've got the clip showing exactly what happened.

The injury was sustained as opposition prop Pascal Idieder went in extremely low for a tackle on Collins’ legs, causing the knee to twist and the big former All Black to be left lying on the floor writhing in pain.

Collins will be sidelined for what looks like six to eight weeks with the knee injury, adding misery to Toulon’s already disappointing season.

According to their website, the scan has revealed that he has strained his knee, but the cruciate ligaments were not ruptured.

The tackle technique in question looked rather strange to say the least. Yes, get in low on a big guy, but the ball had been passed and there was no attempt to run through Ideider, so for him to go in low like he did, was very peculiar.

There have since been murmurs of foul play, with some accusing the Brive prop of of a deliberate attempt to cause damage. To others though, perhaps it was simply clumsy.

Incidentally, Toulon lost the match, 19-9.

Time: 03:35



  • Looks more like he went low in the tackle and turned his body away after he realised Collins had passed. Doesn't really look deliberate, just unfortunate. I doubt he would intentionally use his head to break the guy's knee.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 1:18 pm  

  • I think the prop just collapsed of his own weight when trying to go low on Collins. Maybe blame the doughnuts?

    By Anonymous Cheesekiwi, at January 15, 2009 1:28 pm  

  • It doesnt look really deliberate, but that said it also doesnt look like a natural movement either. Maybe it just looks odd because it keeps getting played in slow-mo, at full speed it might look perfectly reasonable.
    Everyone knows props don't know how to tackle, he prob found him self out in the open facing a one on one tackle and had a wee panic lol.

    By Anonymous dr, at January 15, 2009 1:52 pm  

  • a prop just don't kwow to tackle in the line.
    it wasn't deliberate, but clumsiness can do damages..

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 2:01 pm  

  • Poor Collins that looked incredibly painful. At first I thought it was late but the tackler seems to have dipped his head down and couldn't see the ball had been played on. Just very clumsy.

    By Anonymous Third centre, at January 15, 2009 2:15 pm  

  • C'mon guys. That was deliberately low and with no intent to wrap! Red card for dangerous tackle. It's as dangerous as a spear tackle. Next time, boot the damn guy.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 2:16 pm  

  • Doesn't look that much deliberate ok but it's so late. Collins wasn't even running toward the guy. I'd giva a penalty at least, maybe a yellow.

    By Anonymous STacky, at January 15, 2009 2:17 pm  

  • Damn that could've have done some serious damage. Reminiscent of Michael Jones' knee injury which kept him out of the game for a year.

    According to ABs Dr Mayhew, the worst injury he saw in his 15 years with the All Blacks was Michael Jones' knee injury, against Argentina in 1989, which required total reconstruction.

    Lazy play by the prop if you ask me, he would've done less damage had he just completed the intended tackle properly instead of trying to pull out and realising his fat ass isn't as nimble as others and rolling himself into a pile of lard on the ground causing injury to Collins.

    By Anonymous lazyprops, at January 15, 2009 2:29 pm  

  • 39 owchie owchie owchie !!! feck that looks painfull!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 3:52 pm  

  • Ita called the ostrich tackle, thats how the portuguese tackled all the big teams in the RWC.
    Its pretty effective but can do serious damage to either the tackler and tackled.

    But in this case it got Jerry Collins.
    At full speed its hard to call foul play or on purpose.
    Bad luck to JC

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 3:53 pm  

  • looks like he got himself prepared to make a big tackle on collins, expecting him to come running at him and knowing collin's reputation thought he had to go low,then by the time collins had passed it was already too late for him to know. even still, nasty and a little bit careless, no use of the arms at all

    By Blogger sergeant stu, at January 15, 2009 4:47 pm  

  • that certainly didn't look like an accident. you don't dive at a guy's knee - especially late like this guy did - without some intent to do damage.

    By Blogger Kevin, at January 15, 2009 6:11 pm  

  • I'd have been bracing myself for a serious impact also. He was down low, head tucked expecting to get the full force of JC, the brute, smashing into him. JC passed and the prop (without head up) had no idea the contact wasn't coming. Unintentional, but careless.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 6:49 pm  

  • Ahh so he does feel pain like other humans.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 7:09 pm  

  • I will tell you exactly what that was.

    That was a prop scared out of his mind that Jerry Collins was about to run him over, or make him look silly. So he gets as low as possibly can, trying to remember how to make a good tackle against a monster... and in doing so probably completely lost awareness of the ball leaving his hands, ducked his head, and then prayed for the best.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 7:20 pm  

  • isnt this kind of tackle band in the nfl?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 7:49 pm  

  • If you want to hurt the other guy, that's more effective than a good tackle

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 8:04 pm  

  • Tackling like that in the NFL is fine, blocking is where it is banned. Tackles like that are really more dangerous at slower speeds. Had JC kept running he would have had his momentum to carry him over the prop. At such a slow speed his cleat got caught and the fatty rolled up on his knee. Tough go, should be a card for no intention to wrap.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 9:30 pm  

  • Just looks like the guy slipped when bracing to hit him. I don't think anyone would plan to late tackle a big name player late and right in the knee. This has only made the news because it was collins, anyone else and it wouldn't even raise a sidebar.

    By Anonymous JD, at January 15, 2009 11:56 pm  

  • It's actually as much Collins' fault as it is the props'. He passed the ball and kept running straight into the guy. Anyone who thinks that was a deliberate a ttempt to use his friggin head to bust a guys knee doesn't know what they're talking about. The prop got knocked about a bit by that and in fact could have caused himself some serious harm, concussion or a busted neck. He wouldn't have put himself in that position intentionally. Look, these things happen in rugby, it's a very physical sport. You can't penalise it out of the game and you can give all the cards you want but all that will do is ruin the sport as a spectacle, but the number of dangerous tackles and injuries will stay roughly the same.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 16, 2009 12:24 am  

  • I hate it when people like the prop Pascal Idieder is targeted in a tackle like this. I seriously doubt Pascal was looking to injure Collins. How could he have seen him pass the ball away, or get out of the way in time? Collins threw it away like a second before he ran into the prop. The prop did nothing wrong, went low in the tackle like all rugby players are encouraged to, and Jerry Collins took a tumble.
    If you ask me, Rugbydump is way too sympathetic of JC in the caption.

    By Anonymous PropInnocent, at January 16, 2009 12:29 am  

  • Listen here all politically correct mother f'ers ....call a duck a duck, that (_!_)hole DELIBERATELY rolled into Jerrs legs, knowing full well the outcome.

    He should be taken out back and ....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 16, 2009 1:13 am  

  • fuck that shit.. he didn't even try to wrap and he looked away, meaning he knew he was going to go low.. deliberate all the way

    i have never been taught to tackle that low (below the knees) before.. and to look down when tackling..
    but it is a good thing he didn't hurt his neck

    By Anonymous islestyle, at January 16, 2009 1:32 am  

  • Fat prop trying to get a sneaky hit on collins is all i saw.

    By Anonymous NZL-REF, at January 16, 2009 1:38 am  

  • I don't see how that could be considered a tackle. His arms were no wear to be seen and didn't even attempt to put a shoulder into his tackle. I don't think anyone has been taught to tackle using a Zidane like headbutt. I would consider that an intentional way to cause an injury. The only thing he could possibly say in defense is that he tried to trip him, by attempting to going on all fours.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 16, 2009 3:29 am  

  • thats a Grass cutter and it's how you cut down some tall timber. Definately illegal and intentional

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 16, 2009 5:00 am  

  • To the anonymous who posted below me :
    STFU!! Grow up
    People are so hung up on the fact that the prop was in fault, because of what Rubgydump wrote about the incident. Even the title :
    "Awkward looking tackle"??
    He definitely did lose his footing, but it didnt look deliberate at all and without any intention to harm although every1 is entitled to their opinion
    What would anybody else do if JC was running at them? I'd get low and grab his knees, but in this case the prop slipped under his own weight and his shoulder contacted Jerry's knees

    BTW dont fuckin swear u fuckin muthafucka blowing ur fucking mouth isnt cool bitch
    P.S. that tackle is not illegal

    By Anonymous PropInnocent, at January 16, 2009 5:51 am  

  • 1) Poor luck is really all this is. I don't believe the prop had the whole "destroy Collins' knee" thing in mind when he bent down, and I can't see how it would be rational to claim otherwise.
    2) If you see Jerry Collins running at you, you're gonna want (and have) to make a big hit, you're not gonna let up, so I think its stupid to blame the prop. He doesn't care who he hurts, and taking Jerry out of the game probably got him congratulations from his teammates.

    By Anonymous gongshow, at January 16, 2009 6:43 am  

  • Ouch is an understatement.

    By Blogger Don, at January 16, 2009 7:06 am  

  • Too much focus on illegal tackles on this website. It's bull, this is not football, tackles are MEANT to hurt people in this game. That's the whole point! If you think otherwise, you're livin in a fantasy world.
    Half the game is belting the other team, it's that simple.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 16, 2009 7:14 am  

  • Yes it's belting the other team, but legality. If you make big tackle inside the rules of the game your be much more respected as a player. Not this chicken sh$t tackle this fat guy did.

    By Blogger Hendrick, at January 16, 2009 9:16 am  

  • check out 1:24... the prop was still looking at collins when the ball was released... he intended to hurt collins..
    don't say he was scared.. because a scared person would've gladly avoided an impact with jerry, especially if he saw the ball being released :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 16, 2009 10:26 am  

  • It WAS an awkward tackle, despite what the defensive PropInnocent says. Nothing standard or normal about it. Perhaps his grasp of the english language isn't as good as it should be though...

    IMO it's possible that it was simply poor poor technique from the big, slow prop. But in reality, if you go down like that into someone, there's a pretty high chance you'll cause injury. Which boils down to recklessness. The same as using a swinging arm in a tackle - poor technique, but it doesnt make you innocent...

    By Anonymous FrankyH, at January 16, 2009 11:43 am  

  • I'm amazed that a 'tackle' like this is defended on RD. Considering the amount of people so quick to jump on someone for not using arms.

    It was nothing to do with lazyness. The fat prop knew what he was doing. He rolled himself up, turned and cannon-balled him.

    He should be suspended.

    Even if he was scared of Collins, that's no excuse. Would you justify someone clotheslining someone because they're scared?

    By Anonymous Rancid, at January 16, 2009 3:32 pm  

  • I'm going to make a general assumption here that most of the people who think that it was deliberate are from NZ.

    I ask u to be logical for a second and consider these 6 points.

    1-why would someone try and take someone out in the open for the ref to easily see?
    2-why would they use their head on the other mans knee?
    3-why would they do it when they are running straight at them full pase?
    4-would they not try and be more discrete?
    5-why did they go to all the effort of making it look like they stumbled and fell?
    6-why take out Jerry Collins anyway, he sucks at Toulon?

    By Anonymous dr, at January 16, 2009 4:31 pm  

  • not everyone is in awe of big JC as much as you guys are btw.

    not even such he would start for half the best premiership teams anymore

    By Anonymous dr, at January 16, 2009 4:33 pm  

  • and btw im not english, before u start that

    By Anonymous dr, at January 16, 2009 4:34 pm  

  • Does it look like the prop had a chance to get away? Or actually see the ball fly out of Collins hands? Or get out of the way after he lost his footing?
    These kind of things happen all the time in rugby, when a guy is trying to tackle someone (legally) and ends up hurting the other.
    Don't get confused by Rugbydump's comment on the video itself.

    By Anonymous PropInnocent, at January 17, 2009 12:32 am  

  • We understand that JC is a national hero to you Kiwis and most teams have had players embarassed by him before (Colin Charvis is one that sicks in the mind), however he has retired from the All Blacks whilst in france at least! See this for what it is, a simple accident.

    By Anonymous Taffy, at January 17, 2009 2:18 am  

  • Also maybe its a sign from the rugby gods that your wallet shouldn't decide what club you join! Toulon have all the money in the world but they are absolutely dire. Perhaps Danny Cipriani should think about this when he demands ridiculous money for next season- one ankle mashed should be enough of a sign!

    By Anonymous Taffy, at January 17, 2009 2:20 am  

  • got to have been deliberate im english and thought this was a horrible tackle. that prop french? =]

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 17, 2009 6:30 pm  

  • looks to me like he tries to go low and then falls over!

    By Anonymous Gaz, at January 18, 2009 6:50 pm  

  • Collin's brought to tears....damn...

    By Blogger Craig, at January 19, 2009 4:38 am  

  • HA. You guys actually accuse a prop of all players as of being scared. Comic!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 19, 2009 1:51 pm  

  • I'm so sad for Jerry Collins who's a great guy...His season in Toulon is turning into a nightmare...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 19, 2009 3:21 pm  

  • in argentina we call it "banquito" (bench tackle). it's really effective but it can be dangerous if it's not done properly. anyways, it looks as if idieder just fell and hit collins accidentally.

    By Anonymous juancho25, at January 20, 2009 2:34 am  

  • Propinnocent, you sound like that prop is your long lost daddy, did he leave yo mama high and dry once he hit it?

    You can see the prop knew what he was doing, all he had to do was stay upright and tackle like he got a pair...so that being said why not take your mouth off his schlong.


    By Anonymous PropInnocentcankissmyentire(_!_), at January 22, 2009 4:08 am  

  • Ive done the same thing its very painful (:

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