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Monday, January 12, 2009

Perpignan vs Bourgoin produces two yellows and a red

There were three big incidents this weekend in Perpignan's 40-14 victory over Bourgoin in the French Top 14 championship. All three resulted in cards for the perpetrators, with one of the incidents possibly having a slightly harsh outcome for some people.

The Catalan side scored five tries which resulted in a bonus point win as they keep in touch with the league leaders.

Bourgoin’s poor discipline cost them as they played a man down for a large part of the match.

South Africans Rudi Coetzee and Philip Burger were involved in the first yellow carding, with Coetzee coming in for a solid hit that was deemed illegal by the referee.

You decide for yourself, but the commentators themselves were in no doubt that it was perfectly fine. The big wing spent ten minutes in the cooler regardless.

Captain Julien Frier was then shown a red card shortly afterwards for some foul language and anger directed at the ref. Frier was apparently saying something about him just waiting to blow up Bourgoin at any opportunity, which led to his frustration.

Late in the game we then saw a reckless spear that was followed by a brawl as tempers flared. Replacement Meyer was yellow carded for the dangerous tackle.

On a sidenote, Perpignan’s Dan Carter didn’t return at halftime after injuring his Achilles tendon.
"The pain was getting worse after about half an hour of the match and as a precaution I came off at half-time. It was frustrating because I really wanted to play and the team had a really good match.

"I'll get tests on Monday and will decide with the staff if it would be better to take several days off from training."

Time: 04:22



  • Great hit. NOTHING wrong with it at all!!!!!!! French league needs to sort its players out though. Far too much indiscipline.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 12, 2009 1:30 pm  

  • SIT DOWN!!

    Good hit. Nothing wrong with that.

    By Anonymous Woodsman, at January 12, 2009 2:02 pm  

  • Looks like the first one was called frm the touchline. He would've only seen the back of the player and missed the arm trying to wrap. Bad luck really.

    And I agree with the first poster, the top 14 has brawls close to every match and lots of illdiscipline that needs to be sorted out.

    By Anonymous Kewne, at January 12, 2009 2:55 pm  

  • Top 14 has shit refs and worse discipline from the players, clearly an amazing tackle that took player and ball down and should have been a clear turn over, who knows wat way the game would have gone after that as perpignans defence was no where behind the tackle

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 12, 2009 3:23 pm  

  • Brilliant tackle, stoppped the overlap and almost certainly a try. Poor decision by ref. Agree with others about the bad discipline in France, just worried it will give rugby a bad name.

    By Anonymous andy, at January 12, 2009 3:41 pm  

  • First hit was awesome, bad decision by the ref.

    Intentional spears need to heavily punished, somebody will get their neck broken and be left paralyzed.
    Players doing so should be banned to cut it out.

    By Blogger Tom, at January 12, 2009 4:39 pm  

  • Top 14 rugby is dirty but great
    Carters 'a serious doubt' for the heiniken cup game against Ospreys............. THANK GOD!!! haha

    By Anonymous Dolph Lungren, at January 12, 2009 5:10 pm  

  • That first hit must have just scared the ref into a penalty.

    The Red was just the poor guy wanting to kill the shit ref. Can't say I have not been there before....

    Did anybody notice that after the bourgoin player was speared look like he punched the Perpignan player right off the bat?

    By Anonymous AmerikaCenter, at January 12, 2009 5:23 pm  

  • that hit was phenomenal! Terrific hit! Shitty ref that one

    By Anonymous Jim, at January 12, 2009 5:23 pm  

  • Frier is saying "Ca fait deux fois. La faute là, tu peux la siffler à eux." roughly : "Now it's twice. The foul here, you can judge it against them."
    We can see that he's already arguing with the ref after the first penality.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 12, 2009 6:09 pm  

  • Shoulder charge.....

    That was in no way an attempt for a tackle just a bash!

    By Anonymous David, at January 12, 2009 6:20 pm  

  • there was nothing wrong with the first hit. the last hit however perhaps should have been a red in my opinion.

    By Anonymous samitarugby, at January 12, 2009 6:21 pm  

  • good hit from my point of view.

    and for the red card.......what was he thinking facing up to the ref like that?? this aint football. he needed to go. fair enough the ref seemed pretty poor but you cant face up to the ref like your going to punch him.

    and as for the spear tackle....it was horrible.
    i agree with alot of the comments above that the french leagues need to sort things out. we are seeing fights every week. dont get me wrong it can all be part of rugby but not every bloody game. its a shambles!!!

    By Anonymous NO.3, at January 12, 2009 6:35 pm  

  • Bolavucu hit in Montauban - Bayonne

    Hard ! But in france we have a really bad refeing against the hard hit and that's stupid :<

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 12, 2009 6:48 pm  

  • "and as for the spear tackle....it was horrible.
    i agree with alot of the comments above that the french leagues need to sort things out. "

    We saw a spear tackle by Ellis on Carter (who didn't have the ball) last time they met in European cup. No card for Ellis, just a penalty. So are you really sure that this kind of things happen only in french leagues ?

    By Blogger Pitseleh, at January 12, 2009 7:25 pm  

  • as usual RD prefers to show top14 bad sights with these cards rather numbers of good actions.

    Pretty good ad for french teams before Hcup decisive WEd's. Will not be surprised to see french teams penalised..

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 12, 2009 7:34 pm  

  • The red card was very much deserved.
    Even if you're frustrated, you don't act like that, especially not when you're the captain.

    And I don't think RD is putting the Top14 in a bad light; they regularly show tries and highlights. Let's say it like it is: the Top14 has some discipline issues.

    By Anonymous Sander, at January 12, 2009 8:46 pm  

  • Ref's don't have an easy job lets be fair and the first hit was legal but misjudged because of the speed and the ref's being out of position due to the break...

    I suppose the moral of the story is follow through...if he had followed through he would have cut him in half but atleast the ref's job would have been easier...it looked like a charge because the tackler was still standing after...

    Having said all that the ref made a balls up with the spear...tha was red plain as day!

    By Blogger durrie, at January 12, 2009 8:54 pm  

  • I saw this game live and this ref looked in Perpignan's favour from minute one. The first tackle was solid and close to perfect if you back in mind the speed this guy had. The red card for the captain was deserved. You can't act like that in rugby. But I am surprised the spear tackle was not red carded.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 12, 2009 10:29 pm  

  • hospital pass from carter

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 12, 2009 11:42 pm  

  • yes after the spear tackle the 21 punches back in what seems to be the face. He was the tackle's victim alright, but the ref is there to tell justice, and that should just be punished. It would bring some discipline and prevent all the annoying brawls

    By Anonymous francois, at January 13, 2009 1:08 am  

  • david you are obviously a fuckin old school rugby fuckwit who is heaps strung up on the technical rules. commentators are dead right, and so is everyone else besides you. he went in with the intention for arms, then just whacked him so hard that he could fully wrap them around. you are a massive pussy if you think every rugby player should go in to try and tackle every time. if the bloke is there to be thumped, fuckin thump him. there was nothing illegal about that first tackle. just a good hit with a shit ref.

    By Anonymous David W., at January 13, 2009 2:44 am  

  • seems like one of those stupid refs that wants to make the game all about him, what a tosser, the yellow card was absolutely ridiculous, the yellow he tried to give to the captain before it went red was equally crazy, the ball game back after about 3 seconds its not as if bourgoin arent allowed to contest it, and the spear tackle only being given a yellow clearly shows the ref had a thing for perpignan. funny how gay he gets when that flanker gets in his face, rather feminine wave of the red card!

    By Anonymous caucau's no.1 fan, at January 13, 2009 2:49 am  

  • Wow, what do you know, another fight involving French teams... Pathetic

    By Blogger Jimmy, at January 13, 2009 7:02 am  

  • i must say that first one should have been a penalty at a maximum, his arm was raised he was going in for a legal hit and he just bounced

    second one is questionable if i was refing and that happened to me i would've pulled a yellow but probably not a red

    third should have been a red, as the commentator said that sorta of thing could end someones career, out of all of them that should have been a red for god sakes

    hate self pompous refs, yes you have power but ultimately the players have bigger cocks so deal with it

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 13, 2009 8:30 am  

  • Spear tackles should be banned!
    One day or another, a league or a union will have to face its responsability towards a player that will remain paralysed or even worst.
    As an example, one player should get a huge suspension for a spear tackle, as an example for the others.

    Same thing for tackles that are made above the shoulder line.
    This is way too dangerous, we are seeing such tackles every weeks and they are not severely enough penalised.
    + most of them are really intentional: players prefer to through their arm around the neck when they are too far away in order to stop the player illegaly rather than admitting the fact that they are late!

    This reminds me of the 70's when every run from a wingman was an act of faith...

    One day or an other, someone will get seriously injured and a life will be destroyed but that's apparently and unfortunately the price our unions & leagues are ready to pay "for the show"...

    On a side note, we still have no feedbacks on the impact of a professional rugby carrer former rugby players. The first generation of pro rugby players (around 95) have now around 40 years old only. Nobody knows what's the impact is going to be when they turn 50, 60 etc etc...
    What will be the impact of 5 trainning per week during the carrer?
    What will be the impact of the endless workout sessions?
    What will be the impacts of the always bigger hits, and the reccurence of them?
    As a comparison, the average death age in the NFL is 53 years old !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    When will the officials of our sport seriously take into consideration the health of the player?
    The constant pressure to produce an attractive show, to drain more people in stadium, in front of their TV is putting the player's health at stake...
    And I would hate to see, 10 years from now, rugby players playing our beloved game with the same kind of protecting gear than NFL or hockey players.... Just for the sake of the show....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 13, 2009 10:26 am  

  • Bad hit, no attempt to wrap the player and lead with shoulder. French players seem to with a chip on their shoulders? No discipline at all. The spear tackle was uncalled for.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 13, 2009 10:47 am  

  • Jimmy said :

    "Wow, what do you know, another fight involving French teams... Pathetic"

    Did you really see a fight??????? I don't like fukin twats like you who love to foster clichés. Fights happen every week in every league all over the world, and there was no fight in that game.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 13, 2009 3:12 pm  

  • Whats happening to Julien Frier? any updates? you can get a lifetime ban for threatening a referee, i dont speak french so i dunno what he was saying!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 13, 2009 3:53 pm  

  • I would be pleased if i put that first tackle in! Its especially hard at that pace to wrap you arms round the ball carrier and take them down! The referee clearly could not control the game which is why it boiled over!

    By Anonymous Richard Chidwick, at January 13, 2009 6:07 pm  

  • First hit was great. Shame in ten years time every hit like that will be a yellow card offense. Because of the nature in which the game is being directed.

    Like someone else said, there's tons of physical situations off the ball involving players in British rugby. The difference is in British rugby they're more like NFL players; They'll play the big man and front up like they're going to do something... but when push comes to shove they're pulling hair, tugging shirts, shouting abuse and waiting for their big locks to come and save them.

    Fighting isn't as frequent as people dogging French rugby imply anyway. I can't say i've seen a single fight from the Top 14 this season from the games i've chosen to download.

    The player who went from Yellow to Red is a disgrace though. And should be given a suspension in my opinion. There is no room for that sort of behaviour in the game. At all.

    By Anonymous Rancid, at January 13, 2009 6:21 pm  

  • Rancid every comment you make is total rubbish
    "british rugby is like nfl"
    WTF mate?
    "no fighting in the top 14"
    all it consists of is fighting

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 13, 2009 6:32 pm  

  • Thanks, anonymous.

    Though i am right. British rugby IS like NFL. In the sense it's full of big men who love to act like they'll do big things, but back down when push comes to shove.

    I can cite so many examples from the last few weeks to the point it's not even funny.

    And please, illiterate imbecile, do not purposely misquote me to further your non-existant points.

    I did NOT say there was no fighting in the Top 14, at all. I said it is nowhere near as prevelant as people like to suggest. And that i haven't personally seen a single game this year that involved fighting.

    How many games have you seen? I doubt you have the computer prowess or basic brain cells to operate Torrent files so i'm guessing not many.

    Stick to speaking on subjects you have knowledge on. Blatant overstatements on a domestic competition you rarely see, nor know anything about do you no justice.

    By Anonymous Rancid, at January 13, 2009 6:38 pm  

  • Put it this way. I could fill a 20 minute highlight reel of this seasons British rugby with nothing but push and shove.

    By Anonymous Rancid, at January 13, 2009 6:39 pm  

  • "david you are obviously a fuckin old school rugby fuckwit who is heaps strung up on the technical rules. "

    "you are a massive pussy if you think every rugby player should go in to try and tackle every time. if the bloke is there to be thumped, fuckin thump him."

    This is the attitude that's ruining rugby, and it's what causes these ridiculous brawls. The laws of the game exist to keep the players safe, period. I would have called that a legal tackle, but I would also have given the tackler a warning, as that tackle was very near being too high. Had he tackled lower, his arm wouldn't have been knocked away, and there would be no question of legality. I'm so sick of these 'hard man' idiots thinking that it's all ok to do, and you're just soft if you play by the laws, they're endangering everyone, and should be run out of Union and pushed into League where they belong.

    By Anonymous istya, at January 13, 2009 6:49 pm  

  • good hit nothing wrong with that

    not sure what the yellow was for (i guessed slowing the ball) but good call on the red! ill be showing this to my football loving friends who dont understand the respect ref demand in rugby lol

    and well yes to the last yellow

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 13, 2009 7:12 pm  

  • I don't want to convey controversy about the indiscipline of the french players. I'll just note that the 2 hits involved 3 SA players : Coetzee, Burger and Meyer. It seems french players are better at arguing though since Julien Frier got red carded for his soccer-like behavior. That one was absolutely deserved and the ref can be praised for not hesitating a second on this one.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 13, 2009 7:36 pm  

  • rancid why act like such a bellend?

    By Anonymous frankthewarrior, at January 13, 2009 8:14 pm  

  • Im sorry i act like a bellend cos people bully me. i try to act like i have some sort of knowledge in anything but i really dont. i tried to play for the local team, the RRFC (retards rugby football team) but they had too much talent so i got dropped!....sorry

    By Anonymous Rancid, at January 13, 2009 10:29 pm  

  • ^ Mature.

    By Anonymous Rancid, at January 13, 2009 11:19 pm  

  • everyone stop being soft, there are fights in rugby its a proper contact sport stop moaning about it, it wouldnt have the ferocity it does if after every hit they dusted each other down and shook hands.
    secondly Rancid, i think the whole NFL British comparison is more down to players not wanted suspensions and playing the game in a smarter way, even starting to see things like diving to win pens. i dont think there all pussies i just think they play smarter than T14 teams.

    By Anonymous caucau's no.1 fan, at January 14, 2009 12:05 am  

  • Caucaus fan, understand mate. I'm English. It pains me to make a comparison that to me, is generally insulting to the British game.

    But that's really the way it is. I do understand they don't want to be suspended. But neither do NFL players.

    The point really was confrontations happen in British rugby. But most the players who create the situations are all mouth.

    To name two who are repeat offenders in the last few weeks. Chuter and Moody. Always shouting and pushing people, rolling around on the floor with them. But when push comes to shove they don't want any part of it.

    Basically i'd rather see a fight, than see a bunch of cocks pretend like they're going to fight then do nothing.

    There is so much niggle and near fights in British rugby it's unreal.

    I'm just tired basically with a certain crowd of Union fans and their eliteist views on pretty much everything they don't like.

    The arrogance is unreal. If these people were the rugby purists they imply, they'd condemn professional rugby as a whole for the amount of bollocks in the game.

    By Anonymous Rancid, at January 14, 2009 12:21 am  

  • First one - nothing wrong with the hit

    Second one - red for backchat

    Third one - red for spear

    and why do refs always side with teams Carter plays on?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 14, 2009 1:44 am  

  • istya you are another example. because YOU are the sort of people that make rugby boring and soft. referees penalising anything and players backing down because of that.

    the best part of rugby is the game itself, but in that game, shit happens, and im sick of it turning into a soft sport because people cant accept that, i mean even if that bloke didnt fully wrap his arms, there was no damage, it wasnt malicious, so what the fuck would you send him off for???

    i spose its cunts like you who just wanna have a sport thats naturally tough dulled down to suit your private school fuckin view of rugby. go back to football, because thats the sport you play if you want everything all nice and friendly and with no contact.

    this is rugby, handle it or fuck off

    By Anonymous David W., at January 14, 2009 3:38 am  

  • David W
    Couldn't agree more mate.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 14, 2009 5:44 pm  

  • David W
    Couldn't agree more mate.

    Didn't mean to stay anonymous, I know it's frowned upon for some reason


    By Anonymous Kember, at January 14, 2009 5:47 pm  

  • "istya you are another example. because YOU are the sort of people that make rugby boring and soft. referees penalising anything and players backing down because of that...this is rugby, handle it or fuck off"

    You need to go back and re-read my post, son, I didn't say I'd send the guy off. I said I'd pull him aside and warn him for the tackle almost being high. Before you go spouting off being a tough guy to a complete stranger, make sure you're not making yourself look like an idiot...

    By Anonymous istya, at January 14, 2009 7:18 pm  

  • First hit was very close either way, never a card though. Red card was justified, this not football! And spear like that is just stupid

    By Anonymous martin-offload, at January 14, 2009 9:31 pm  

  • How the hell are you supposed the grab the carrier when he bounced off 2 feet?? But I was really unhappy about the tackler diving straight to the ground and made no effort to stay on his feet. It was blatantly cynical to kill the ball.
    I would have given a penalty but for the tackle itself.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 15, 2009 4:51 am  

  • yeah cheers kember, its good to know there are some people who dont want this sport turned into football.

    and itsya its not your so called "tough guy" attitude, its just rugby, and why would you warn a man about a completely legit tackle?? its exactley what im talking about, if you warn that player about a perfect tackle, he will stop doing them, and rugby wont have any great hits at all. but then again i spose people like you will have their way, and rugby will turn into nothing more than touch footy, and everyone will be nice and happy.

    so what would you have said? "watch out mate, that hit was too hard"

    By Anonymous David W., at January 15, 2009 5:23 am  

  • first hit was a play on.

    second incident was a penalty at best

    third should be a red if it was a spear

    basically, really bad refereeing all round

    By Anonymous dr, at January 15, 2009 1:40 pm  

  • "and itsya its not your so called "tough guy" attitude, its just rugby, and why would you warn a man about a completely legit tackle?? its exactley what im talking about, if you warn that player about a perfect tackle, he will stop doing them, and rugby wont have any great hits at all. but then again i spose people like you will have their way, and rugby will turn into nothing more than touch footy, and everyone will be nice and happy.

    so what would you have said? "watch out mate, that hit was too hard""

    Good grief, are you even reading my posts? I said very clearly why I would warn the guy, and it was nothing about how hard the hit was. That tackle was incredibly near being high, my warning wouldn't be an official one, just a 'watch yourself'. You're so set on the idea that I want to soften rugby (which is something you came up with on your own), that you're not even engaging any of your reading comprehension skills.

    By Anonymous istya, at January 15, 2009 7:58 pm  

  • LOL....the ref quality of the Top 14 is seriously shti, couldnt see that happening here in the south.

    The first red card was sooo bullshti i woulda shook the refs fillings out, not strike him juss shook him, like a lil biiiaaatch.

    By Anonymous BIGDIPPER, at January 16, 2009 1:30 am  

  • so its gone from pulling him aside and giving him a warning, to an unofficial "watch yourself" you are a deadset fuckwit, and you have even resorted to literacy battles to try give merit to you having a view that no one else supports.

    so just for you buddy i will rephrase, "watch out buddy, you were NEARLY on the verge of an infringement, although it wasnt one, but try those antics again"

    give me a fuckin break you clown. just get on with the game like everyone else does.

    By Anonymous David W., at January 16, 2009 6:37 am  

  • Soft penalties, nothing wrong with either tackle. Rugby's tough, a huge part of the game is basically moderatley controlled violence. When you're playing you are trying to bash the other team, there's no two ways about it.
    There's only a few major laws around the tackle. No head highs, no spear tackles (lifting a player beyond the horizontal, not to stop all lifting tackles at all, but to stop players getting dumped on either their head or neck), no tripping, striking or kicking and attempting to wrap up the player with your arms, or more simply put, no pure shoulder charges or elbows.
    Beyond that it's pretty much fair game. Leading with the shoulder, lifting in tackles without going beyond the horizontal, dumping players, leaping or diving into tackles and slamming players onto their backs or shoulders is all fine. Even a bit of roughing them up on the ground is tolerated.
    I hate how they give yellows and reds out like candy in the NH for legitimate tackles.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 21, 2009 2:28 pm  

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