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Greg Holmes great hit on Francois Louw

Tuesday, June 16, 2009

Southern Kings stand up to the British & Irish Lions in Port Elizabeth

The Lions kept up their unbeaten record in South Africa as they came away with a 20-8 win against the newly formed Southern Kings, at the highly impressive Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium.

At over 35 000, the biggest crowd of the series so far came out to see a contest, and that is what they got, as this bruising encounter was perhaps the most physical of the tour to date.

The Kings, who had only been together a week before taking to the field, were a mix of characters that included some ex Springboks, a few Bulls regulars, returning overseas players, and a couple of Springbok Sevens stars.

From the outset it was clear that the massive Lions pack wasn’t going to intimidate them, as they took it to them physically, and won the contest at the breakdown regularly.

The tourists got their points by way of two unconvincing tries, the first from Ugo Monye and the second from referee Nigel Owens, who awarded a penalty try as the Kings pack disintegrated.

Ronan O’Gara came on for the injured James Hook, contributing 10 points with the boot, as well as setting up the Monye try with a neat crosskick.

The Kings though, looked the more organised unit as scrumhalf Francois Hougaard controlled from the base superbly, before he left the field injured, resulting in a the game changing in momentum slightly.

Playing the match with 14 men for 60 minutes didnt help the home sides cause either. That said, Sevens star Mpho Mbiyozo was named Man of the Match for his excellent work around the park, at the breakdown, and for scoring their only try.

Once again though, it was the Test experience of the Lions that got them home, as they hung in and saw off the pressure, resulting in the win.

Looking at the way the Lions failed to assert their authority, as well as being dominated at the breakdown, is there in fact serious cause for concern?

Or perhaps it’s quite simply a case of job done, bring on Durban for the first Test on Saturday.

Time: 06:19



  • First

    By Anonymous Donkey Punch, at June 16, 2009 6:12 pm  

  • Glad to see Earls played much baetter, as did O' Callaghan, Powell is still far too stupid for international rugby....

    By Anonymous Donkey Punch, at June 16, 2009 6:13 pm  

  • The lions will be pleased going into the Tests with 6 wins from 6. they need to do some work on the breakdown. some massive hit going in which were good to see. Shaw put his hand up for the Test 22.

    By Anonymous lock08, at June 16, 2009 6:14 pm  

  • First hay? and with nothing to say what a idiot. . . . .

    Good game from the kings what a fight they made of it in the 1st half, some good legal and illegal hits and lots of stuff of the ball,

    thought the ref was shocking in the 1st half seemed to get his act together in the 2nd

    Pitty to see the lions are still having trouble at the breakdown giving away far to many pens


    By Anonymous RyeBye, at June 16, 2009 6:16 pm  

  • guess you had to double post for the sake of being 1st. . . . . (your 2nd on wasnt there when i 1st saw the post)


    By Anonymous RyeBye, at June 16, 2009 6:20 pm  

  • Damn right

    By Anonymous Donkey Punch, at June 16, 2009 6:21 pm  

  • Not really an accurate assesment of the game from RD.

    Anyway my main cause for concern is the amount of tries the Lions somehow manage to butcher.

    Some very impressive defending from the Kings(not always 100% legal) and great ball stealing. Really enjoyed watching the game.

    By Anonymous Andy, at June 16, 2009 6:37 pm  

  • what injury did hook pick up guys? i missed the game.. did shane williams play after?


    By Anonymous Abs7, at June 16, 2009 6:49 pm  

  • I'm with you Andy - the amount of times the Lions have been turned over in the opponents' 22 on this tour is staggering. If they are given any opportunities by the Boks they are going to have to be much more clinical because there will not be many.

    By Anonymous Ted, at June 16, 2009 6:54 pm  

  • Hook got tackled and when he was goin down he got a forearm to the back of the head.. Didn't look too serious tho and they said he was only taken off as a precaution...

    By Anonymous Donkey Puncher, at June 16, 2009 7:02 pm  

  • Great game to watch as a South African. Nice to get behind a bunch of has-beens and youngsters and cheer them on. A true underdog situation, where the underdog produced a good contest for most of the match.

    That stadium looks awesome btw. I didnt quite hear how many it seats, but looks great.

    I didnt hear what the UK/Sky commentary had to say, but what are the thoughts on that penalty try? Seemed a tad harsh, especially as it was only the second 'reformation' and they actually lost control of the ball, with it squirting out the side. Therefore, they couldnt/wouldnt have continued anyway.. ?

    Nice game anyway.. congrats Lions.. six out of six will always look good down the line. Cant wait for the Test!

    By Anonymous Dave, at June 16, 2009 7:30 pm  

  • O' Callaghan, Fitzgerald, ROG and Hines really stepped up today and should be in with a good shout of the 22.

    Earls was fantastic aswell at the fullback position. Not saying he has a hope in hell of a test game but still he really played wellboth offensively and defensively.

    Worsley can be a real muppet sometimes ill tell you that anyone who didnt see the game.

    Fitzgerald would have been in for at least 2 tries if someone gave him the ball for once.

    COUGH... Worsley how could you not see the overlap you oaf ....COUGH

    COUGH...Mike blair how can you not pass the ball your a scrum half you kack handed frigger...COUGH

    By Anonymous Frontrow for life, at June 16, 2009 8:03 pm  

  • Nice to see Jaco playing again!

    By Anonymous MadMax, at June 16, 2009 8:29 pm  

  • RD's assessment was rather pro-kings i found. The "unconvinving tries" came from a cross field kick and a destructive scrum... the intent was there. "unconvincing" implies they were accidental or something. Would agree that the lions were beaten at the breakdown again, and a dissapointing amount of penalties given away.
    Boks 2-1.

    By Anonymous Toady, at June 16, 2009 8:41 pm  

  • Blair was lucky to get on the tour, still don't rate him at all as a world-class scrum half. D'arcy and Flutey as a midfield? Not great I have to say. Monye's impressing me more and more though, I said before the tour that if any England wing was gonna go, it was Cueto, and was surprised when Monye turned up. But he's been doing very well. Contrast that to Shane Williams, World Player of the Year 2008, who has been anonamous in this tour, and most of the Six Nations quite frankly. As an England fan I'm pleased that there's a good balance - I didn't buy the talk before the tour that England would only have a handful of players on the tour, if that, and I'm gonna put my ten cents in and pick my ideal Test team:

    1. Jenkins
    2. Mears
    3. Vickery
    4. Alun-Wyn Jones
    5. O'Connell
    6. Croft
    7. Wallace
    8. Heaslip
    9. Phillips
    10. O'Gara
    11. Monye
    12. Roberts (initially not a fan of this guy but his link play with O'Driscoll has been fantastic)
    13. O'Driscoll
    14. Bowe
    15. Byrne

    16. Ellis
    17. Murray (Sheridan hasn't lived up to his high standards, and besides, the Scots do deserve a little representation, though not from Mike Blair)
    18. Powell
    19. M. Williams
    20. Shaw
    21. S. Jones
    22. Flutey

    By Blogger Adam, at June 16, 2009 8:42 pm  

  • Sorry, maybe my indicament on Blair was a little harsh, I just think that, if you put him alongside the likes of Phillips (who I have to say has really impressed me in the last few months), Ellis, O'Leary/Stringer, Januarie etc, he just seems to come up short. Not far off, but just a little short.

    By Blogger Adam, at June 16, 2009 8:44 pm  

  • id like to point out regarding everyone who has been giving keith earls and ronan o gara abouse over last few weeks should be eating their words, especially the good number 10 who granted pointed out o garas good points but he was very good today. see his last minute tackle?

    By Blogger Paul Gormley, at June 16, 2009 9:03 pm  

  • Disapointing from the Lions. I thought Fitzgerald impressed again though. Very much like Bowe in the way he always looks for work.
    Whilst I don't think Shane Williams deserves a place in the test team I thought the fact that he touched the ball once in the space of 15-20 minutes of his time on the pitch was indicitive of the Lions performance.
    We need to start spreading the ball. Too many greedy, stupid forwards tying up the midfield.

    By Anonymous Cheech, at June 16, 2009 9:14 pm  

  • Most people seem to be picking Monye as a certainty for the 11 jersey, which is slightly worrying me. I'm not saying he wouldn't do well, he's great going forward and his pace and power are awesome, but his defensive positioning and decision-making leave a lot to be desired.
    This is the third game that he's rushed up to tackle a man that isn't his and left a mile of space outside him. The Golden Lions scored their only try because Monye wasn't where he was supposed to be and WP made a lot of ground down his wing aswell.
    I still think he'll perform well if picked, I'm just a bit concerned that the Boks will kick to him and run down his wing all day and he could be a bit of a liability. Fitzgerald and Kearney are both better defensively and better all-round footballers, i'd go with one of them.
    But I'm sure Geech knows what he's doing, either way we're gonna have a savage back 3 to take the game to the Boks.

    By Anonymous H, at June 16, 2009 10:32 pm  

  • Is anyone else a little concerned by the refereeing so far? My biggest gripe is the tackler releasing the player before playing the ball. Now i was under the impression that the tackling player must release, stand up and then play the ball. All i've seen all tour is the SA players (who are clearly much better at pushing the limit than the Lions) tacking, wrapping the ball up while still on the floor, and then standing up while still having their hands on the ball. This is illegal but because they do it so quickly they seem to get away with it every time, and it doesn't allow the tackled player to present the ball. The fact that the Lions are always either too far away from the tackled player, or too close (and hit it with no ferocity at all) doesn't help either.

    By Anonymous Blonz, at June 16, 2009 10:46 pm  

  • I'd say the tries were 'unconvincing' because that TMO call could have gone either way.. he knocked it on, to the ground, then grounded it. Not clear cut, but could have been not given I think. I also think that the Kings player could/should have done better, so Monye shouldnt have gotten that close to scoring.

    The penalty try was a dodgy call imo.. yes, they dominated etc etc, but the ball shot out the side. They didnt not score because the scrum collapsed. So, was a bit harsh I thought.

    Earls looked good with ball in hand.. Monye looked classy once again, and James Hook was unfortunate to get injured. Been doing well.

    By Anonymous Scotsdale, at June 16, 2009 10:52 pm  

  • Blonz - grow some!!! They are just better at the breakdown - deal with it!!!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 16, 2009 11:11 pm  

  • And they are just much better all over the park... the LIONS must learn the lessons & get on with it, tests are round the corner!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 16, 2009 11:13 pm  

  • Clearly. They've been better in that area in just about every game. Doesn't make my point less valid. Also explains why Quinlann was in the original squad.

    By Anonymous Blonz, at June 16, 2009 11:16 pm  

  • agree with adams team apart from shaw, powell and flutey, flutey more so. think o'callaghan, hines and kearney should be in there instead as flutey has done sweet FA. also murray to start rather than vickery

    By Anonymous dj, at June 16, 2009 11:20 pm  

  • also, how monye didnt read that kick is beyond me. earls looked like he wanted to shove him out of the way to do what he messed up! earls was better today but will only play against the emerging boks i think

    By Anonymous dj, at June 16, 2009 11:24 pm  

  • Anonymous people everywhere - It takes two seconds to put a name on your posts please do it!!!

    Anyways I agree with Blonz, the Springboks are getting away with murder, which, before any Southern Hemispherers get up on their high horse, is fine with me. If you see the oppposition backrow getting away with murder then you should realise that you too can get away with stuff. So the Lions really need to start pushing the ref from early on to see what he's going to do, better to give away a pen in the first 5 minutes than the last.

    Heinrich Brussouw was sooooooo illegal when he played for the Cheetahs, I think he's gunna be a star of the Test Series!!

    Need to sort out the breakdown but I have this weirdly optimistic feeling that the Lions will win the Series. No logic involved, just gut.

    By Anonymous Brick Shithouse, at June 16, 2009 11:27 pm  

  • well the breakdown is gonna be a problem for the Lions!!

    Agaist the Springbokke they meet BRUSSOW again, who is known to be one of the best flankers at the breakdown
    (he proved this in the narrow loss against the lions with the Cheetahs, and in last years Super 14 stats where he even had better stats than richie mccaw!!)

    By Anonymous Cheis, at June 16, 2009 11:28 pm  

  • poor game from most of the lions great showing form the Irish boys and Moyne they where the only ones that impressed haven said that Darcy wasnt at his best. Blair and Worsley are idiots if they looked up they might of actually seen that in both cases Luke Fitzgearld had and easy run in on the wing and an almost certain 5 if not 7 points(considering O' Gara or Hook where kicking most lightly 7). Powell didnt have a good game and i think Heaslip will slot into the back row along with Wallace and Croft. A real pitty to see Hook being taking off I would of loved to see him play the full 80 he looked electric every time he got the ball something was on!. I have to agree with who ever said that about the penalty try i think it was a bit hash because blair and or powell had lost control and it had only been reformed twice the ref should of given them at least another chance!


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 17, 2009 12:05 am  

  • Firstly Adam

    You don't have a hooker on your bench, don't know whether you are being sarcastic as to the lack of a decent cover or blind sided to get williams, Powell or Shaw in.

    Secondly, I think the chances of Sheridan on bench are slim, unless Jenkins moves to tighthead. Jenkins is an 80 min man, besides, Vickery is likely to start at tighthead and they'll need cover for him, Muarry if fit, don't know how bad injury is, or as unexpected as it first seemed, Adam Jones. While not in the same league as Sheridan at scrum he offers much more at breakdown, ie, he can ruck properly, while Sheridan has been guilty of going off feet nearly every ruck.

    Still can't see Powell anywhere near test 22, wastes too many balls. He shows up in mid field to much wasting back line chances, notice how the centres recieved less ball in all Powell's apps, most notably v Cheetahs.

    Finally, was it just me or did O'Gara make a great try saving tackle near the end of the first half? This must be Bizarro world (little Superman reference there). Look, some pigs flying.

    By Anonymous Huh!! the 3rd, at June 17, 2009 12:06 am  

  • Anyone who says the Mike Blair isn't a world Class scrum half clearly hasnt seen him play much.
    Ok, he didnt have a good six nations and is struggling to find form. But when on form he is a more complete Sh than any of the other players in the lions tour and one of the top players in the world. He is just out of form, I hope he finds it again soon, prob wont be on this tour tho.
    His mistakes in this match (which were few) were actually largely down to poor protection from his pack, which was rampant.

    By Anonymous dr, at June 17, 2009 12:08 am  

  • Forgot to mention.

    If RD could find the clip. There was a nice moment in the Ireland A Georgia game where the camera goes on Flannery and O'Leary (we all know they would have pushed for places) who were at the game, they are in the States rehabbing. O'Leary messes around with a sign saying 'JERRY WEARS GIRLS GLASSES' reffering to Fla's hugh Paris Hilton shades.

    By Anonymous Huh!! the 3rd, at June 17, 2009 12:15 am  

  • My heart is with the lions.
    If they win in Durban they will win the series.

    By Blogger pumito, at June 17, 2009 12:25 am  

  • GL to the Lions GO BOKKE!!!

    By Anonymous JuiCe, at June 17, 2009 12:36 am  

  • Conor, good lord...are you drunk?

    Reading that is like shoving forks into my brain. Here, let me help you...


    Poor game from most of the Lions. Great showing form the Irish boys and Monye; they where the only ones that impressed [me]. Having said that, D'arcy wasn't at his best. Blair and Worsley are idiots. If they looked up, they might have actually seen that, in both cases, Luke Fitzgerald had and easy run in on the wing and an almost certain 5 - if not 7 points (considering [that] O'Gara or Hook where kicking, most likely 7). Powell didn't have a good game, and I think Heaslip will slot into the back row along with Wallace and Croft. A real pity to see Hook being taken off; I would of loved to see him play the full 80. He looked electric every time he got the ball...something was on! I have to agree with whoever said that about the penalty try: I think it was a bit harsh because Blair and/or Powell had lost control, and it had only been reformed twice. The ref should have given them at least another chance!

    Kisses and Hugs,

    By Anonymous Ahhh, it burns, at June 17, 2009 12:42 am  

  • * an easy run

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 17, 2009 12:44 am  

  • * or Hook were kicking

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 17, 2009 12:44 am  

  • Hey Anonymous that's helpful, doing a spellscheck for someone thanks!!!


    By Anonymous Brick Shithouse, at June 17, 2009 1:17 am  

  • Yet again the ref was shocking at the breakdown. The way I was coached last season, and the way quite a few refs saw it, was as follows:

    If you took away all the supporting players around and under you, would you be able to stay up (i.e. only your feet on the floor)? If the answer's no, get ready for a penalty.

    I hoped it was only the southern hemisphere refs that were getting this wrong, but Owens seemed just as bad. They may think that they're letting the game flow, but thousands of turnovers from defenders diving over the ball is not what real rugby fans want to see.

    By Anonymous HamishM, at June 17, 2009 1:20 am  

  • cant remember the lions forcing one turnover at the breakdown,while the Kings had at least 15.That number 7 was unreal!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 17, 2009 2:23 am  

  • Terrible game, and a lot of silly hits off the ball/late, by the Kings backs, glad to see barry still likes to put it about. :/

    Overall, fair play to them they came to do a job and took the lions on, this was by far the worst game of the tour.

    Reckon Wallace and Williams at 7 & 6 after yesterday, breakdown is going to be brutal.

    By Anonymous goodNumber10, at June 17, 2009 8:43 am  

  • Paul Gormless you are obsessed with me, and my opinions it's getting quite worrying next thig you'll be calling me sweetcheeks and asking for my phone number.

    And for the record O'Gara was shocking today. One good Tackle makes him have a great game? I don't think so, he got clattered enough times yesterday to make it a problem come test time.

    But obviously if he makes one good tackle the last 10 he did nothing in don't matter? Rubbish.

    Terrible, he actually looked scared on the pitch. And he dropped right back into the pocket for most of the game, when he did play flat he didn't have the speed to actually release the backs. When he tried to move the ball they were too deep - off O'Garas alignment to actually do anythign other then shuffle the ball across the pitch.

    But excellent Goal kicking again, but some of his "tactical kicking" was dire just, aimless rubbish down their throats, allowing them to come back at us.

    Infact I'd say he was one of the main reasons they kept in the game. If my fly half kicked like that he'd be on the bench come the next game.

    Earls looked good in open play, but lacked physicality in the contact.

    Not a single player yesterday looked test quality.

    By Anonymous goodNumber10, at June 17, 2009 8:52 am  

  • Paul gormless:

    O'Gara had a good game did he?

    his words:

    "O'Gara admitted he was a little disappointed with his own performance in the Lions' final match before Saturday's first Test against the Springboks.

    "The game was so far off Test-match intensity that I found it hard," he said. "That's when I play my best, when it's very intense. "

    From here, where he also has a moan about the hits in the game:


    But Hey!!!! he made a good tackle - lets pencil him in.

    By Anonymous goodNumber10, at June 17, 2009 9:02 am  

  • Just read this on an irish website: "There was ill-feeling after the final whistle, with D'Arcy appearing to refuse to shake hands with his opposite number De Wet Barry."

    It's not tiddlywinks. The ref is there to make sure nothing gets out of hand. Players like De Wet Barry will do all they can to push the line, and intimidate in a match that they knew they had very little chance of winning.
    Clearly they had set out to impose themselves physically, and show no respect. He achieved that in my opinion, and therefore the Kings stayed in the match.

    De Wet Barry & the Maori Lion Flutey had a bit of a go just before the end of the match too. 'Fokoff jou Kiwi' was what was said I'm sure ;)

    On a serious note, yes, the Kings did push the line with their late hits etc, but I think they did well to not cross it. And when they did get a little overexcited, nutter Jaco van der Westhuizen got yellow carded for it.

    Not shaking hands, after a physical match though? It's rugby.. sh*t happens. And if Barry or any other player did anything totally out of hand, I'm sure they could be cited or whatever..

    I personally think every team needs characters like De Wet Barry (or Frikkie Welsh) throwing themselves about physically. The evidence was in the result, against a Lions side that was packed with Test caps.

    By Anonymous FrankyH, at June 17, 2009 9:36 am  

  • I do disagree with the RD description of the game. While the Lions were poor, this does not mean the Kings played well either. They were more interested in late tackles and killing the ball.

    At no point did the Kings impress in the way the write up of the game suggests. However, they took the physical side to the Lions and gave a good account of themselves against a team who should have dominated.

    How do ppl rate the chances for the Lions on saturday? How much of a loss is Burger? I heard he had a poor Super 14.

    By Anonymous Jon, at June 17, 2009 10:27 am  

  • Fitzgerald keeps running past the ball, he does it every game at least once or twice, Moyne made some good hits but he worrys me with his lack of precision/brains: would prefer Kearney ( who can kick), Moyne can't kick! I prefer Hook over ROG ( and I am Irish)ROG is a pussy and I am sure Spies/ Broussow etc will steam roll him all day long.....breakdown is worrying as in Lions wont be as "clever" at it as Boks..also will feeding in scrums be penalised? I think the Ref will have an impact....Go Lions!!

    By Anonymous ConnachtFan, at June 17, 2009 10:27 am  

  • I agree totally with "brick shithouse" above...these are (excluding powell) intelligent world class rugby players..if the opposition is pushing the boundaries of the law at the breakdown then YOU do the same.The lions cannt afford to have ball turnover like this against the boks.

    Maybe the lions need to give Richie McCaw a shout for a coaching session...

    By Anonymous Del Boy, at June 17, 2009 10:27 am  

  • Brutal game !

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 17, 2009 10:28 am  

  • Also i would love to see good basic rugby for the test. Which i thing needs to happen if the lions are to stay alive in this series.
    Keep ur forwards tight- less ball turned over and when its time more room for some excellent backs to show their worth. That goes for both sides...lets see locks going back to bashing eachother up in the tight not trying to slow motion side step in the midfield!

    By Anonymous Del Boy, at June 17, 2009 10:31 am  

  • i think many people are very harsh on ROG...he is definately not a pussy anyway in my oppinion. team mates in munster can vouch for that like tipoki,howlett etc. goodnumber10 seems to be his arch rival anyway...id put money on a bet to say he was or is an out half himself who knows everything about playing there and the game in general

    By Anonymous con bons, at June 17, 2009 11:23 am  

  • Anyone who thinks that the penalty try wasnt a try is most likely a back. You keep to what you fancy boys do in the line and let us forwards do what we do best and dont tell us about what we know.

    The killed them twice at the scrum and the only reason that the ball squirted out at the end of the second one was because the entire Southern Kings scrum completed fell on its ass.

    By Anonymous Frontrowforlife, at June 17, 2009 11:30 am  

  • DWB may have been a total cunt during the game, but you still shake hands. I always make a point of seeking out the Ref and the biggest dick on their team first, especially if the Ref's had a shocker.

    This is all after my old man ripped me a new one for refusing to shake with a cunt who play acted and lied to get me sin binned in my first senior match.

    Last year I even shook hands with a guy who bit me - looked him in the eye, told him I knew what he'd done, reminded him that I demolished him in the scrum and walked away...

    By Anonymous Benjy, at June 17, 2009 11:36 am  

  • the monye try wasn't convincing looked like a knock on to me.

    I agree with H Monye is a strong fast runner, and can run in a score, but doesn't create like bowe or s.williams, also doesn't read the game defensively like either of those two either.

    Can't believe some people want o'gara, he is so poor defensively, was irelands weakest player in 6N, he bottled it and the nearly lost against england because of him even though the irish pack were by far superior.

    By Anonymous mat, at June 17, 2009 12:01 pm  

  • Benjy - based on what you said, I guess the other team seek you out first also.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 17, 2009 12:29 pm  

  • hey everyone keeps saying to put a name on this!!

    but how do you do it???????

    reply please

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 17, 2009 12:33 pm  

  • D'Arcy said afterwards: "There were some questionable tackles, but that's the way it is.

    "De Wet Barry is a good, physical, strong player. He's one of those guys who likes to get in amongst it.

    "I shook his hand, but I didn't want to have a chat with him."

    By Anonymous Jorge, at June 17, 2009 12:34 pm  

  • "con bons said...

    i think many people are very harsh on ROG...he is definately not a pussy anyway in my oppinion. team mates in munster can vouch for that like tipoki,howlett etc. goodnumber10 seems to be his arch rival anyway...id put money on a bet to say he was or is an out half himself who knows everything about playing there and the game in general"

    Good Stuff mate, did you figure out i was a number 10 all by yourself, or was there a big enough clue in my name?

    I'll place money on you not being a brain surgeon.

    I am/was an out half, played a serious level of rugby and now coach, so yes i do know quite a bit about the game.

    Am I an expert, no, but at least I'm not so pigeyed i'd pick anyone in a Munster shirt as the 1st choice in their position.

    People are being harsh on O'Gara, but it's fine to talk the lad up and say he's the best 10 on the tour etc... yet when people point out his frailties it's being harsh?

    He made 5 tackles yesterday, only one was decent, and fair play it was a try saver. The problem is the other 4 allowed the opposition over the gain line and free ball at the breakdown.

    On top of that his kicking from hand was NOT good, and allowed the kings to stay in the lions half and keep pressure on, regardless of what you and poor gormless want to think, those are statistical facts.

    ROG is a good player, he's just not good enough to oust Jones. looks like he's on the bench though as Hook is out for the 1st test.

    By Anonymous goodNumber10, at June 17, 2009 12:38 pm  

  • i think if the ref was on the other side of the scrum that wouldnt of been a penatly try and the kings would of just cleared it!!

    think that was abit harsh!!

    and i have no idea how monye didnt see the cross field kick until it was bounced infront of him!!

    he was lucky enough to get it...

    dont think fitz would of done that:P:P

    By Blogger creggs08, at June 17, 2009 12:52 pm  

  • I thought ROG was average, at best. Anyone saying he had a good game today (and there are a few) should look again. ROG had a bad game compared to what he is capable of. Earls showed what he can do given space. Looked much better with time and space that a fullback sometimes gets afforded. I was pleasently surprised.
    As for the refereeing.... not much you can do but play him as much as the opposition.

    By Anonymous Cheech, at June 17, 2009 1:05 pm  

  • D'Arcy had only just arrived in SA, Flutey was playing out of position, Hines is not a 6, Worsley is not a 7 (not a proper one anyway) - in other words this was a scratch team from a scratch side, playing the least important match of tour. Not overly concerned about the performance. The key is that the side won and that the Kings gave the management something to get their teeth into in the dressing room and on the training field...

    Blonz - in total agreement with you on the tackler releasing. It's not happening and it's where a lot of turnovers are coming from.

    Scotsdale - the ball squirted out the side because the Kings scrum in front of the Lions disintegrated. The Kings prop on the right side as you watch stands up as soon as a shove comes on, and the moment he does so the PT is given. He made no attempt to scrummage, they'd been warned. Fair call.

    Monye knocked the ball back towards his own try line. The call was correct. And he should have dealt with it better and scored it on the first bounce - I'm not convinced by him so far. A game winner maybe, a game loser maybe...

    By Anonymous Hackney Griffin, at June 17, 2009 1:23 pm  

  • the kings got ripped

    monyes try was bullshit and penalty try was well harsh

    By Anonymous jamestheconvict, at June 17, 2009 1:28 pm  

  • to Cheech

    ROG hasnt played well all year. never carries or passes just always kicks for the corners!!

    would much prefer jones take up the position!!

    By Blogger creggs08, at June 17, 2009 1:38 pm  

  • these lions series are a bit boring, i don't know if it's because lions turn over or because of very weak opponents

    a man in the match: nigel Owens, who is defintly a dumb.
    The 1st try was not very valid
    the 2nd one was a gift to lions

    Better to watch NZ-France to watch great rugby

    By Blogger Flooz, at June 17, 2009 1:53 pm  

  • convict/Flooz

    How was the try not valid? It was scrappy and ugly, but that doesn't make it invalid.

    Monye knocked the ball back towards his own try line and then touched it down.

    And when a side deliberately bring two scrums down in a row 5m out from their try line after having been warned by the ref what possible complaints can they have?

    By Anonymous Hackney Griffin, at June 17, 2009 2:16 pm  

  • To put your name to the posts....click the "name/URL" circle instead of the "anonymous" circle....and then type in your name.

    The B&I Lions shouldn't be dishing out what they can't handle backin return....if they cried after yesterdays match - they gonna be hysterical after coming up against the Bokke. Surely with an almost 1 ton forwards pack, they cant REALLY be cry babies.

    By Anonymous Just a Fan, at June 17, 2009 2:20 pm  

  • Convict/flooz

    Complete nonsense. Do you actually play? as in know the rules?

    By Anonymous Andy, at June 17, 2009 2:57 pm  

  • good game and great defense by the southern kings but some really cheap shots. The tackle on D'Arcy in the opening minutes was poor play, hitting him as hard as possible in the back. The van der Westhuyzen tackle on Flutey was disgraceful.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 17, 2009 3:15 pm  

  • Meh there was cameras everywhere if there was that much offf the ball stuff as the Lions are saying surely we would see? Just saying.

    Yeh Anonymi (plural of Anonymous I reckon), click name/URL abd just put in a name, you don't need a URL.

    And finally, jamestheconvict is wrong again.

    By Anonymous Brick Shithouse, at June 17, 2009 4:17 pm  

  • " Brick Shithouse said...
    Meh there was cameras everywhere if there was that much offf the ball stuff as the Lions are saying surely we would see? Just saying."

    have to agree hes right! there must be alot of cameras all over the park watching the game and the TMO can see everyone of them!

    anyone do anything off the ball easy enough to notify a ref!

    By Anonymous creggs08, at June 17, 2009 4:27 pm  

  • sorry, but I think that these highlights are a bit too short - is it possible to get some extended ones?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 17, 2009 4:46 pm  

  • well goodnumber10 i also play at a high level so you can shut your patronising self up. from reading what your writting it didnt seem lik you had which is why i asked. i never once said he was best out half in the world or on tour. i dont even think he should start from looking at the bokkes team. just saying you dont have to blow him out of the water based on your interpretation of what he is doing. he has done some unreal shit in his career and deserves to be on tour as much as any other player.

    By Anonymous con bons, at June 17, 2009 5:22 pm  

  • This was a great game. Fantastic to see the Kings 6 & 7 getting stuck in - future of the game in SA depends on more black talent coming through. They jinked and darted like backs and ripped way more ball than the Lions could deal with.

    The Kings stood their ground and dictated terms to the tourists. Also marvellous to see. I see that those people supporting Powell's no arms challenge on Vermeulen are now attacking the Kings indiscretions.

    No problem. The tourists have failed to impress in most of their games against understrength provincial sides and are going to be up against it on Saturday when they play a disciplined, fit side of Springboks.

    By Blogger Robert, at June 17, 2009 5:31 pm  

  • to hackney griffin

    i say it and i repeat it, i'm not very sure of these 2 tries.

    on the 1st one, u may be right,but the camera angle is bad and doesn't allow to see if it's backwards or down, for an ugly result

    on the 2nd one, i find very harsh to accord a penalty try to the leading team after the 2nd scrum crash

    it doesn't mean kings deserved to win, far from it.
    These series are a bit marketing, and marketing love entertainement, pretty rugby. Did u enjoy this game?

    By Blogger Flooz, at June 17, 2009 5:35 pm  

  • Paul Gormley said... giving keith earls and ronan o gara abouse over last few weeks should be eating their words......
    Really you think? i thought O gara played ok at best.

    For me Keith earls still looks way out of his deapth, made a couple of little runs that looked nice but cant say SA would be scared to face him at all imo.
    Blonz said...
    Is anyone else a little concerned by the refereeing so far?

    yea i agree so much, pitty the lions cant seem to get it into there own heads to do the same as the refs dont seem to mind

    Brick Shithouse said...
    Meh there was cameras everywhere if there was that much offf the ball stuff .......

    lol did you watch the hole game? if so you'ed have seen alot of it

    As for the Pen try you only have to look at 00.59 of the highlights to see the dominance in the scrums the lions had againt 8 men, at the point one the ref gave the pen try one of the kings seconds rows had been binned, the lions had a 5m scrum and pushed appart the kings scrum the ref gave a pen and lions choose to scrum again, again the kings got ripped appart in the scrum, lions got another pen and scrumed again , so now were on scrum number 3 and yet again the 7 man kings pack get pushed back onto there asses, hence why the ball comes out the side. . . the ref has no chooice but to give a pen try. . . 3 scrums. . .5m out . 3 times the kings collapes.. . pen try without dout


    By Anonymous RyeBye, at June 17, 2009 7:01 pm  

  • "well goodnumber10 i also play at a high level so you can shut your patronising self up. from reading what your writting it didnt seem lik you had which is why i asked. i never once said he was best out half in the world or on tour. i dont even think he should start from looking at the bokkes team. just saying you dont have to blow him out of the water based on your interpretation of what he is doing. he has done some unreal shit in his career and deserves to be on tour as much as any other player."

    it's unfortunate that you feel patronised, it's really not my intention, i talk about rugby how i see it, if people don't liek that then it's actually not my fault. i don't say people are wrong like so many others on here i just tell it how i see it and why.

    "ndly i never said you thought he was the best 10 int he world, it was ageneric comment based on the comments in this thread.

    3rd: I never said O'Gara shoudln't be on tour.

    I've always said he was a good player, but his game yesterday was shocking in comparison to what he can and has done, unfortunately everytime he takes to the pitch the Irish contingent on this website get dizzy form the excitement and proclaim him and everyone else who bears a passing resemblance to a munster player GOD.

    Again, please understand those comments are not aimed directly at you, but are a comment on the general talk within this thread.

    There is a lot of decent knowledgable posts on this website, i suggest people read them and comment against them or on subjects within them rather then all this he/she/it's the best rubbish.

    By Anonymous goodNumber10, at June 17, 2009 7:38 pm  

  • basically goodnumber10 i think we are in agreement on our views. about rog etc...but i just taught you were over the top in criticising ROG.he didnt have a good game but as you obviously know his form can change and he could have a stormer next time he plays and then you will have people contradicting themselves. didnt try to cause offence with first post and appologies if i did.

    By Anonymous con bons, at June 17, 2009 8:16 pm  

  • The Lions still can't get a single tackle right

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 17, 2009 9:51 pm  

  • regarding the love of my life, the shit number 10.
    yet again you seem to miss the point, since this tour has begun you have repeatedly stated that o gara can not tackle. i was just highlighting the last ditch tackle he made. in contrast what did jones contribute the other night? a 50% goal kicking, munmerous knock ons and an overall shocking performance. i did actually see that bbc interview with o gara before you tried to highlight your point.
    i would like you to type in
    if you think stephen jones will fare much better but hey hel miss 50% of his goal kicking, cannot kick from more than 45 metres (irish match under pressure) but oh hes a forlorn conclusion for the test team.
    i dont have an obsession with YOU sweetcheeks, but i must admit when ever i do infact stroll onto rugbydump (not live on the site like you) i find you make the most ridiculous points.
    also when munster played ospreys in ospreys this year your beloved hook said that himself that he thinks o gara is the best outhalf in europe. so i mean he was a "shoo in" before he got injured want he?
    and why did you post that interview with o gara? that just contradicts your whole argument! he said it was so far off test intensity its hard to stay in the game? he plays better when hes under pressure? thats proven. my god your so stupid.
    on another note, im sick to death of listening to sky sports commentary, they get too excited about everything! i do know there are people like me and they should watch live streamings of the lions tour, or any live match they cant see on tv or maybe they live abroad where it doesn show it on
    click on live sports
    click on other
    and you will find the lions its very interestting as you watch the match from the south african perspective and they are entralled by o driscoll! its gas out! but beware you do have to browse to find the right chanell, and you also have to get on the site just before kickoff, for some reason you cannot watch the match if your late. enjoy

    By Blogger Paul Gormley, at June 17, 2009 9:53 pm  

  • So great you showed A kiwi running through half the 2005 lions, but obviously that's only down to Jones for missing the first up tackle. Where was O'Gara on that tour, oh yeah thats right warming the bench for Jones and wilkinson. Roffle!

    O'Gara made one cover tackle but now he's the defensive 10 the worlds been looking for?

    I take it all back mate you're spot on, O'Gara for the tests, can't wait to see De Villers, Pieenar, du Preez and Spies run straight over him. :'(

    As for Hook being a shoe in for the test?

    Well obviously i don't know anythign about the game and i'm making all these ridiculous posts yet it's funny how the worlds rugby press agrees with me about hook and not you.

    O'Gara is defensivly weak, he played gash on Tuesday in a half ar*ed game, it being below intensity is not an excuse.

    so no it dosen't contradict my point it backs in that he says he had a bad game while you're claiming he had a"stormer" Jesus man you must be thicker then your average punter if you couldn't figure that one out without me explaining it for you.

    And so what Hook said O'Gara was the best in Europe, great just Pro's being pros and patting each others back.

    It doesn't prove either of us right, but it does prove your grasping at straws to back up your argument.

    And obviously you're the behemoth of rugby knowledge because you figured out how to use myp2p and don't have to listen to Sky sports pundits.

    Good call because if you actually listened to people like will greenwood etc.. you'd realise how thick you actually are.

    Oh, and by the way before you get that big old brain rolling I do live abroad, in France actually, i watch it online.

    anyway, good night treackle i have to go now, have a real lady waiting don't get too jealous i'll be back to play tomorrow.


    By Anonymous goodNumber10, at June 17, 2009 10:28 pm  

  • Best game of the tour so far, a bit of passion and not to mention a decent crowd helps immensly.
    Btw anyone who thinks those trys werent legit is probadly a south african.

    By Anonymous Ronan, at June 18, 2009 1:05 am  

  • The British and Irish Lions just missed being held up on Tuesday after armed robbers attacked the Nelson Mandela bay stadium which was built for the 2010 World Cup and was launched with an international rugby match with the touring British and Irish Lions.

    The robbery took place on Tuesday at the sports bar of the new Nelson Mandela Bay stadium in the coastal city Port Elizabeth after the Lions beat the Southern Kings 20-8, said police spokesman Marinda Mills.

    Two men entered the bar on the stadium's fifth level and pointed a firearm at workers selling alcohol, took money and ran away, she said.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 18, 2009 1:34 am  

  • Gutted that hook went off so early, praying to god he makes the tests cos IMO hes the best flyhalf out there. Hes got such a strong handoff and glides through defences like carter did in 2005.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 18, 2009 6:06 am  

  • "Gutted that hook went off so early, praying to god he makes the tests cos IMO hes the best flyhalf out there. Hes got such a strong handoff and glides through defences like carter did in 2005."

    out of first test, maybe out of tour.


    By Anonymous goodNumber10, at June 18, 2009 7:44 am  

  • RyeBye.

    I did see it, wasn't exactly hard-hitting stuff, mostly niggles but it was there and I'm just trying to stop the Lions trying to excuse a below-par performance by blaming 'overly physical' tackling.

    By Anonymous Brick Shithouse, at June 18, 2009 8:06 am  

  • My test team is exactly the same as ADAM's^^^^, except for stand off, not too sure who is going to get that position, o'gara or jones. And i've never really thought of the bench except for a fly half and shaw that i want on the bench.


    your test team looked great, but your comment on Blair is totally wrong i have to say. I suppose he hasn't been playin that well lately on this tour, ut he is still much better than O'leary and a bit better than Ellis, O'leary should never of even been picked.

    By Anonymous ArranR, at June 18, 2009 8:50 am  

  • Cheech, one word.....Powell

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 18, 2009 11:17 am  

  • Aaroan R said.....
    Blair is still much better than O'leary and a bit better than Ellis, O'leary should never of even been picked.
    Wat iswrong with u O'Leary has been the outstanding scrum-half comin from Leinster its hard to admit he has been brilliant I uased to be a big Blair fan but now I realise he looks good in a poor team and bad in a good team.

    By Anonymous Joey, at June 18, 2009 11:20 am  

  • ok so I havnt got to catch many of the games as i have been on holiday, however I was shocked to read O'gara is only looking to be third string 10, now being from Ireland I am clearly going to be bias, but given his recent success in 6 nations, and his huge success at club level over the past 3 years consistently I would have assumed he was a natural choice to start the series, what more does he have to do to get there, he's done more than both other choices. However i know i havnt caught all the games, maybe someone could fill me in on the thinking of the coaches who have hinted he's just a third string choice? What have i been missing???

    By Anonymous IRE7, at June 18, 2009 1:01 pm  

  • 1st Test Squad named

    1. Jenkins
    2. Mears
    3. Vickery
    4. POC
    5. A W Jones
    6. Croft
    7. Wallace
    8. Heaslip
    9. Phillips
    10. Jones
    11. Monye
    12. Roberts
    13. BOD
    14. Bowe
    15. Byrne

    16. ROG
    17. Rees
    18. A Jones
    19. O'Callaghan
    20. Kearney
    21. Ellis
    22. M Williams

    Surprises there? I guess Adam Jones instead of Sheridan on the bench, no room for Hines...?

    Still I reckon on paper that looks pretty good. On grass, well let's see...

    By Anonymous Ted, at June 18, 2009 3:04 pm  

  • I Like the squad for the 1st test I have no problem with Adam Jones instead of Mr Floppy Sheridan, far far to many times on this tour Sheridan has come up to a ruck and just flopped over the top, I think jones is a much better all round player

    Feel really sorry for Hines must have been a very tight call

    Pleased to see Mr Powel will be watching from the stands

    Pitty Hook had to go home, any idear who they will bring out to replace him if anyone at all?


    By Blogger ryebye, at June 18, 2009 3:57 pm  

  • I hear The Bull Hayes is on his way, we're sorted for the tour now. Hayes'll fix it!

    From a munster fan (no shit!)


    By Anonymous btesco, at June 18, 2009 10:47 pm  

  • to btesco

    delighted hayes is on his way should start every test!!

    fucking bear of a man!

    20 stone and always looks to carry ball!!

    and he flinges POC into the air as if he was a bag of spuds

    from another farmer in connacht:D

    By Anonymous creggs08, at June 19, 2009 1:10 am  

  • Pretty much exactly as expected for the starting 15. Have no problem with the squad but not sure how DOC (sorry, seems to be the thing to do for Irish players!) has made the bench ahead of Hines and Shaw.

    By Anonymous Blonz, at June 19, 2009 9:54 am  

  • I would like to hear what people think of keith earls. Being from limerick i saw him single handedly winning the senior schools cup for munchins two years ago. In limerick he is regarded as nothing short of a champion, and as a first year as a professional rugby player he has finished top try scorer for munster, scored a try on his debut for ireland and was called up to the lions tour, now i know roberts and fitzgerald are of similar age and have achieved more in the game but earls was a surprise call-up and even though he had a shocker in the first match he has scored two great tries. Ronan o gara has gone on to compare his impact in his first season to johnny wilkonson and while i dont see earls dropping a goal off his weak foot for ireland in a world cup final i genuinely think he will be a world beater in the next few years. drop a comment to what ye think.

    By Blogger Paul Gormley, at June 24, 2009 8:57 pm  

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